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From: Michaelxxxxxxxxxx @aol.com
Subject: Review on TER
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 2:52 AM

Hello, I write professionally written reviews on TER - The Erotic Review. My reviews are written in such a way, that you will get more clients. You simply complete a short form for me to tell me more about yourself, I write the review, I post it, and your phone starts to ring more. Most clients don't write reviews and even if they or you wanted to write one -- it takes experience to get a review to actually get posted without being banned by the TER staff. A lot of my time goes into this so it certainly isn't cheap but is highly worth it. The investment that you make with this will pay off very quickly. Each post is $69 and discounts are available for pre-paid packages of 10, 20, and 30. Please let me know if you are interested and I could send the online form to you.
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A survey of 114 men found that 84% of those they booked dates with had 6 or more positive reviews. The 16% who did not look at reviews are looking for women "more willing" to do things for positive reviews, namely "bareback" (43%) or "reduced prices" (49%).

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I have delted any contact refernces. This is a warning not to advertise this scam:

Fake TER Reviews For Sale
E-mail sent to Phoenix escorts:

From: Michaelxxxxxxxxxx @aol.com
Subject: Review on TER
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 2:52 AM

Hello, I write professionally written reviews on TER - The Erotic Review. My reviews are written in such a way, that you will get more clients. You simply complete a short form for me to tell me more about yourself, I write the review, I post it, and your phone starts to ring more. Most clients don't write reviews and even if they or you wanted to write one -- it takes experience to get a review to actually get posted without being banned by the TER staff. A lot of my time goes into this so it certainly isn't cheap but is highly worth it. The investment that you make with this will pay off very quickly. Each post is $69 and discounts are available for pre-paid packages of 10, 20, and 30. Please let me know if you are interested and I could send the online form to you.
--
Other Fake Reviews For Sale
http://deleted
We Blow Up the Phone
Buy Reviews, Make More Money
Your Ad is Not Perfect
Make more money today. Call or text to schedule FREE consultation. Click "read more" to learn about our methodology.

Fact: Women with 6+ Positive Reviews Get Most Dates

A survey of 114 men found that 84% of those they booked dates with had 6 or more positive reviews. The 16% who did not look at reviews are looking for women "more willing" to do things for positive reviews, namely "bareback" (43%) or "reduced prices" (49%).

OUR REVIEWS WORK
> Real VIP Accounts
> Written By Men, Sound Like Men
> Fast - We Start Immediately
Requests? We'll nail it
3 or more $75 each
6 per month $59 each per month
10 per month "Make it Rain" membership $50 per month.

Text the words "Make it rain" to 415-xxxx for a return sales call.
EXISTING NEGATIVE REVIEWS? WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THEM.
Apply Now, MEMBERSHIP IS LIMITED*
We Guarantee GREAT REVIEWS

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Sample of many artciles from Phoenix Private and Companion Lists by E-mail twice a month. http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Prostitution is sex for pay while pornographic films are films of people having sex. The reason films are not prostitution is because although the actors are paid, the person paying them is not getting sexual gratification from their performance and the players are not paying for the gratification they may receive.

However the question often is "soliciation" of prostitution, pandering or pimping charges. A ruling by the California Supreme Court effectively legalized the making of adult films in a landmark 1988 case.

The California ruling is a key reason why L.A. became the capital of the multibillion-dollar porn business. The justices defended the right of film producers to recruit people to act in sexually explicit movies, making it impossible for police and district attorneys to prosecute producers of pornography on charges of soliciting people to engage in prostitution.

The California case stemmed from the conviction in 1985 of Harold Freeman, who had faced a possible prison term for hiring actresses for up to $800 a day to perform explicit sex acts in a movie called “Caught from Behind II,” according to Times coverage at the time.

The court dismissed prosecutors’ argument that the porn performers were prostitutes. Rather, the justices ruled they were being paid to act for the purposes of making a film, and not to sexually arouse or gratify the film producer, which is an element of prostitution.

An appeal to the United States Supreme Court resulted in a ruling that the outcome turned independently on construction of California law, and thus the Supremes refused to get involved.

The New Hampshire Supreme Court in 2008 said a person who was recruiting talent for a porn film should not have been prosecuted under anti-prostitution laws.

References:
People v. Freeman, 250 Cal.Rptr. 589 (Cal. 1988).
California v. Freeman, 488 U.S. 1311 (1988) [O’Connor, J., denying state’s application for a stay]
New Hampshire v. Theriault (2008)

However, Tom and Suzy Wahl, a St. Louis husband and wife sought to engage in sexual performances for paying customers, to further sex education. The state applied prostitution laws to those performances and the couple’s convictions have been upheld on appeal. Tom Wahl argumed, "That's No Prostitute, That's My Wife." A jury convicted Tom Wahl, 45, and Suzi Wahl, 49, of misdemeanor prostitution. The jury rejected the contention of the Lake Saint Louis couple that the sex acts were part of an educational sex seminar.

The Ellwest Stereo Theatre in Phoenix case does not involve making porn but private booth dancers, behind glass who fondled each other - who were convicted of prostitution along with owner convicted of felonies for pandering etc. Here the Appeals court upheld the conviction. No contact occurred between dancer and customer.

The AZ case discusses the Freeman Case from California but found "A defendant's engaging in the fondling of another woman's breasts under a fee arrangement whereby undercover police detectives paid to watch the defendant and the other woman constituted "prostitution."

The Court said; "State has legitimate interests in regulating prostitution unrelated to suppressing free speech; supporting rationales include preventing communicable disease, preventing sexual exploitation, and reducing assorted criminal misconduct that tends to cluster with prostitution. U.S.C.A. Const.Amend. 1. " Remember there was no physical contact - there was glass window between the customer and performer !

For the complete text of the Arizona Court of Appeals Decision upholding the prostitution related charges see:
http://www.sexwork.com/legal/pornorprostitution.html which includes a longer 2005 article mostly about the Freeman case in addition to AZ case.]]>
Sample of many artciles from Phoenix Private and Companion Lists by E-mail twice a month. http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Prostitution is sex for pay while pornographic films are films of people having sex. The reason films are not prostitution is because although the actors are paid, the person paying them is not getting sexual gratification from their performance and the players are not paying for the gratification they may receive.

However the question often is "soliciation" of prostitution, pandering or pimping charges. A ruling by the California Supreme Court effectively legalized the making of adult films in a landmark 1988 case.

The California ruling is a key reason why L.A. became the capital of the multibillion-dollar porn business. The justices defended the right of film producers to recruit people to act in sexually explicit movies, making it impossible for police and district attorneys to prosecute producers of pornography on charges of soliciting people to engage in prostitution.

The California case stemmed from the conviction in 1985 of Harold Freeman, who had faced a possible prison term for hiring actresses for up to $800 a day to perform explicit sex acts in a movie called “Caught from Behind II,” according to Times coverage at the time.

The court dismissed prosecutors’ argument that the porn performers were prostitutes. Rather, the justices ruled they were being paid to act for the purposes of making a film, and not to sexually arouse or gratify the film producer, which is an element of prostitution.

An appeal to the United States Supreme Court resulted in a ruling that the outcome turned independently on construction of California law, and thus the Supremes refused to get involved.

The New Hampshire Supreme Court in 2008 said a person who was recruiting talent for a porn film should not have been prosecuted under anti-prostitution laws.

References:
People v. Freeman, 250 Cal.Rptr. 589 (Cal. 1988).
California v. Freeman, 488 U.S. 1311 (1988) [O’Connor, J., denying state’s application for a stay]
New Hampshire v. Theriault (2008)

However, Tom and Suzy Wahl, a St. Louis husband and wife sought to engage in sexual performances for paying customers, to further sex education. The state applied prostitution laws to those performances and the couple’s convictions have been upheld on appeal. Tom Wahl argumed, "That's No Prostitute, That's My Wife." A jury convicted Tom Wahl, 45, and Suzi Wahl, 49, of misdemeanor prostitution. The jury rejected the contention of the Lake Saint Louis couple that the sex acts were part of an educational sex seminar.

The Ellwest Stereo Theatre in Phoenix case does not involve making porn but private booth dancers, behind glass who fondled each other - who were convicted of prostitution along with owner convicted of felonies for pandering etc. Here the Appeals court upheld the conviction. No contact occurred between dancer and customer.

The AZ case discusses the Freeman Case from California but found "A defendant's engaging in the fondling of another woman's breasts under a fee arrangement whereby undercover police detectives paid to watch the defendant and the other woman constituted "prostitution."

The Court said; "State has legitimate interests in regulating prostitution unrelated to suppressing free speech; supporting rationales include preventing communicable disease, preventing sexual exploitation, and reducing assorted criminal misconduct that tends to cluster with prostitution. U.S.C.A. Const.Amend. 1. " Remember there was no physical contact - there was glass window between the customer and performer !

For the complete text of the Arizona Court of Appeals Decision upholding the prostitution related charges see:
http://www.sexwork.com/legal/pornorprostitution.html which includes a longer 2005 article mostly about the Freeman case in addition to AZ case.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=743 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:20:23 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=743 Being Legal is Common Sense

Sample of many reports on the Phoenix Private and Companion Lists by e-mail twice a month http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Lawyers have been screwing us a lot longer than prostitutes — ever since Grok accused Truk of stealing his woolly mammoth steak and Ogstein, Ogstein and Ogstein jumped in to the fray. Then a nosy Neanderthal named Skoop recorded the incident on his cave wall, thus launching the second oldest profession, mine. Skoop’s missus complained about the drawings, so they hired Brume to come in and scrub them off, becoming the first cleaning lady.

You see, hookers aren’t even top three in the oldest profession sweepstakes. They’re at best 12th, after apple growers, snake-wranglers, hunters, butchers, cooks, wilderness guides, salesmen and politicians.

So it’s high time working girls stopped using “world’s oldest profession” as a marketing ploy in their bid for legality. Besides, they have a much better weapon: Common sense.

The Toronto Sun discusses this as the fight is on to decriminalize incalls and public solicitation (outcall always been legal as in most of the world):

On Thursday (1/19/12) , the feds fought B.C. hookers in the Supreme Court of Canada. over their right even to challenge these laws — which they say make them the world’s oldest dangerous profession. For instance, they can’t hire drivers or bodyguards or gather in a comfy, safe bordello.

Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside Sex Workers United Against Violence Society, the world’s longest acronym, and Ottawa have locked legal horns since 2007. The DESWUAVS says prostitution laws deflower the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. “As far as I can tell, the federal government seems intent on maintaining Canada’s prostitution laws despite the incredible violence and rights violations that they create,” the Vancouver group’s lawyer opined outside court.

Ontario hookers have their own date with the courts. Last year, dominatrix Terri-Jean Bedford, of Thornhill, that hub of S&M, convinced Ontario Superior Court Judge Susan Himel that solicitation, bawdy house and living-off-the-avails laws were unconstitutional. Judge Himel saw the obvious — that such laws force women to choose between safety and possible arrest. A hooker in hiding is a vulnerable hooker.

A while ago, I toured the De Wallen red light district of Amsterdam, where prostitution is not only legal, it’s window-shopping. In one of those windows, I found leggy international business major Jenn, 24. She had no pimp, no fear of cops, just a clean bill of health, a tidy room and a panic button in case of trouble clients. This seems a sensible state of affairs.

Naturally, the feds and the McGuinty government are in a holier-than-thou huff and have appealed. Rulings are pending. I’m hoping for a happy ending. Pierre Trudeau screwed this country in many ways, but he was right about one thing: The state has no place in the beds of the nation. Never mind the morals and the principle of live and let live, think of the cost. Government lawyers aren’t cheap. Nor are vice cops, jail cells or john schools.

A study in Springfield, Ohio, found the cost of policing and prosecuting one (1) hooker could reach $100,000 — money better spent on crimes with actual victims.

Make something a crime, and guess who shows up. Criminals.Same thing happened with Prohibition in the 1920s. I’ll never forget it. It was hell. If Al Capone was around today, he’d be a pimp. Or a politician.

As one reader comments
It should not be on the streets anyway. The police just shut down these two hookers who were trolling a main street near where I live, for many months. It's different when they're in your neighbourhood. Keep it off the street at least. (Dave agrees of course that public nuisance street hookers are far different than in private sexwork).

Highlights from: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/21/bor...re-strobel]]> Being Legal is Common Sense

Sample of many reports on the Phoenix Private and Companion Lists by e-mail twice a month http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Lawyers have been screwing us a lot longer than prostitutes — ever since Grok accused Truk of stealing his woolly mammoth steak and Ogstein, Ogstein and Ogstein jumped in to the fray. Then a nosy Neanderthal named Skoop recorded the incident on his cave wall, thus launching the second oldest profession, mine. Skoop’s missus complained about the drawings, so they hired Brume to come in and scrub them off, becoming the first cleaning lady.

You see, hookers aren’t even top three in the oldest profession sweepstakes. They’re at best 12th, after apple growers, snake-wranglers, hunters, butchers, cooks, wilderness guides, salesmen and politicians.

So it’s high time working girls stopped using “world’s oldest profession” as a marketing ploy in their bid for legality. Besides, they have a much better weapon: Common sense.

The Toronto Sun discusses this as the fight is on to decriminalize incalls and public solicitation (outcall always been legal as in most of the world):

On Thursday (1/19/12) , the feds fought B.C. hookers in the Supreme Court of Canada. over their right even to challenge these laws — which they say make them the world’s oldest dangerous profession. For instance, they can’t hire drivers or bodyguards or gather in a comfy, safe bordello.

Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside Sex Workers United Against Violence Society, the world’s longest acronym, and Ottawa have locked legal horns since 2007. The DESWUAVS says prostitution laws deflower the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. “As far as I can tell, the federal government seems intent on maintaining Canada’s prostitution laws despite the incredible violence and rights violations that they create,” the Vancouver group’s lawyer opined outside court.

Ontario hookers have their own date with the courts. Last year, dominatrix Terri-Jean Bedford, of Thornhill, that hub of S&M, convinced Ontario Superior Court Judge Susan Himel that solicitation, bawdy house and living-off-the-avails laws were unconstitutional. Judge Himel saw the obvious — that such laws force women to choose between safety and possible arrest. A hooker in hiding is a vulnerable hooker.

A while ago, I toured the De Wallen red light district of Amsterdam, where prostitution is not only legal, it’s window-shopping. In one of those windows, I found leggy international business major Jenn, 24. She had no pimp, no fear of cops, just a clean bill of health, a tidy room and a panic button in case of trouble clients. This seems a sensible state of affairs.

Naturally, the feds and the McGuinty government are in a holier-than-thou huff and have appealed. Rulings are pending. I’m hoping for a happy ending. Pierre Trudeau screwed this country in many ways, but he was right about one thing: The state has no place in the beds of the nation. Never mind the morals and the principle of live and let live, think of the cost. Government lawyers aren’t cheap. Nor are vice cops, jail cells or john schools.

A study in Springfield, Ohio, found the cost of policing and prosecuting one (1) hooker could reach $100,000 — money better spent on crimes with actual victims.

Make something a crime, and guess who shows up. Criminals.Same thing happened with Prohibition in the 1920s. I’ll never forget it. It was hell. If Al Capone was around today, he’d be a pimp. Or a politician.

As one reader comments
It should not be on the streets anyway. The police just shut down these two hookers who were trolling a main street near where I live, for many months. It's different when they're in your neighbourhood. Keep it off the street at least. (Dave agrees of course that public nuisance street hookers are far different than in private sexwork).

Highlights from: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/21/bor...re-strobel]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=742 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:17:39 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=742 http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Phoenix Temple Police Report – TER Reviews Impounded

I have previously reported in general from the HUGE Phoenix Police Report others had access to and discussed with me. I requested a public records release of the report back in October and it wasn’t approved until last week (mid-January!). It is hundreds of pages in great detail and hardly any redactions other than some phone numbers. Police names show up in various forms in different places – surprised few redactions. The detailed quotes given must mean officers have very good memories (or could have them wrong if recalled later in writing reports) or had some recording device.

It will take some time to review and may share some interesting comments over the next few List updates and perhaps more on the separate Temple List but will keep names private.

There were 2 case agents, a Sergeant (who had to approve the release to me), 6 undercovers, two “interviewers” and 2 on surveillance (probably the squad that kept track of car licenses in parking lot and did some stops of workers long before the big raid.)

One car was impounded, property taken from one gals home (besides the search warrants served at 4 locations (Phoenix and Sedona). There were also possession of narcotic drugs, marijuana and drug paraphernalia charges on 3 different people at Phoenix Temple.

Detailed alleged definitions are given of Temple terms i.e. Alter of Light =massage table, Grand Alter=Bed, Sacred Union = sexual intercourse, and lots more.

I have not tried to cross match but seems would be easy to tell who has not been arrested since real and Temple names are given to all and some of the indicted have not yet been found and arrested.

A detailed “Structure of the Illegal Enterprise” is given listing sources and probably cause for each defendant in detail.

“According to the Temples Marketing Agreement most fulltime practitioners earn $5000 and $8000 per month after all expenses are paid.” (Yah sure…)

There is a large discussion of TER, the code words used and how prostitutes are rated based on the sex acts performed. It details by name identified by pictures etc. of each defendant that had TER reviews (one gal 10 reviews) and found reviews for some both when they were independent and when working at the Temple. “The reviews were impounded as evidence.”

The undercovers during the six month investigation were obviously (sadly) very good at getting admissions about the nature of the work, obviously got the trust of many gals and on many of them very detailed alleged discussion of how it works, fee structures, sex offered etc. But on some gals there seems no direct evidence other than the “association”... but that in itself can be a felony if any plea deals or convictions admit to a “criminal enterprise.”

Of course these are all allegations, the reviews are “hearsay” unless they can get the writers scared enough to testify (serve subpoena on TER if can’t otherwise ID and based in Netherlands is irrelevant since can serve on any “control person” in the U.S., maybe even any moderator). As far as I know reviews have never been used because have never been needed since no cases that had TER reviews have gone to trial – all as in DD case took plea deals.

As I have discussed in huge detail I believe there are two strong legal arguments but both could be a long legal fight. I’m sure the 38 attorneys have more arguments and issues related to the allegations.

Some folks believe love will prevail and somehow a goddess will free them from the injustice of the legal system. But I am more earthbound in the legal issues!]]> http://www.sexwork.com/privateinfo.html

Phoenix Temple Police Report – TER Reviews Impounded

I have previously reported in general from the HUGE Phoenix Police Report others had access to and discussed with me. I requested a public records release of the report back in October and it wasn’t approved until last week (mid-January!). It is hundreds of pages in great detail and hardly any redactions other than some phone numbers. Police names show up in various forms in different places – surprised few redactions. The detailed quotes given must mean officers have very good memories (or could have them wrong if recalled later in writing reports) or had some recording device.

It will take some time to review and may share some interesting comments over the next few List updates and perhaps more on the separate Temple List but will keep names private.

There were 2 case agents, a Sergeant (who had to approve the release to me), 6 undercovers, two “interviewers” and 2 on surveillance (probably the squad that kept track of car licenses in parking lot and did some stops of workers long before the big raid.)

One car was impounded, property taken from one gals home (besides the search warrants served at 4 locations (Phoenix and Sedona). There were also possession of narcotic drugs, marijuana and drug paraphernalia charges on 3 different people at Phoenix Temple.

Detailed alleged definitions are given of Temple terms i.e. Alter of Light =massage table, Grand Alter=Bed, Sacred Union = sexual intercourse, and lots more.

I have not tried to cross match but seems would be easy to tell who has not been arrested since real and Temple names are given to all and some of the indicted have not yet been found and arrested.

A detailed “Structure of the Illegal Enterprise” is given listing sources and probably cause for each defendant in detail.

“According to the Temples Marketing Agreement most fulltime practitioners earn $5000 and $8000 per month after all expenses are paid.” (Yah sure…)

There is a large discussion of TER, the code words used and how prostitutes are rated based on the sex acts performed. It details by name identified by pictures etc. of each defendant that had TER reviews (one gal 10 reviews) and found reviews for some both when they were independent and when working at the Temple. “The reviews were impounded as evidence.”

The undercovers during the six month investigation were obviously (sadly) very good at getting admissions about the nature of the work, obviously got the trust of many gals and on many of them very detailed alleged discussion of how it works, fee structures, sex offered etc. But on some gals there seems no direct evidence other than the “association”... but that in itself can be a felony if any plea deals or convictions admit to a “criminal enterprise.”

Of course these are all allegations, the reviews are “hearsay” unless they can get the writers scared enough to testify (serve subpoena on TER if can’t otherwise ID and based in Netherlands is irrelevant since can serve on any “control person” in the U.S., maybe even any moderator). As far as I know reviews have never been used because have never been needed since no cases that had TER reviews have gone to trial – all as in DD case took plea deals.

As I have discussed in huge detail I believe there are two strong legal arguments but both could be a long legal fight. I’m sure the 38 attorneys have more arguments and issues related to the allegations.

Some folks believe love will prevail and somehow a goddess will free them from the injustice of the legal system. But I am more earthbound in the legal issues!]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=741 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:13:36 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=741
More than 10,000 condoms are delivered in 70 boxes to the headquarters of the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective within a few minutes – in broad daylight. It's a far cry from a decade ago.

Sex workers no longer have to hide condoms in freezers, and they can carry them without worrying that they could be prosecuted for soliciting. It has been nearly nine years since New Zealand decriminalised prostitution under the Prostitution Reform Act 2003.

Sex workers say the stigma has eased, but still remains. Safe sex is freely promoted, they have a mandate to stand up to inappropriate behaviour from clients and employers, and whereas in the past they might have felt intimidated and threatened by police, they now work with them. "New Zealand sex workers have the best set of laws. We've seen situations where sex workers have taken on brothel operators for sexual harassment and won," Ms Healy says. "You just couldn't have imagined that before." The legislation is a model for other countries to follow, she says.

"There's a lot of work to be done in this industry to make it safer and happier and more accepted and leading on from that I believe that it will be able to help other areas of society, like providing intimacy to people who can't get it themselves, like people who are seriously disabled – physically or intellectually."

Ms Brennan has managed brothels for 16 years. She owns and operates Fun House and the MM Club, which offers dominatrix services. Before the reform she was working as a madam at a Wellington brothel when it was involved in an armed hold-up. "We were up all night at the police station. But no-one mentioned victim support or counselling for these girls because they were sex workers – it wouldn't have even crossed their minds."

Going to the police is quite a different matter now, Ms Brennan says. "They take extra care to make sure these girls go to Rape Crisis or are seen by Victim Support or are put in touch with the right agencies and that the girls are made to feel they've done nothing wrong."

The biggest change is that you can legally talk to workers about using condoms, she says. "Before the reform it wasn't legal to talk about it, even though we always did. If someone was a policewoman, for instance, you could be done for promoting commercial sex."

Dorothy, another sex worker, is a 22-year-old university student studying towards her second degree. She earns up to $1500 a day working in the industry. When the vivacious, confident and articulate Wellingtonian's father asked her what she wanted for her 21st birthday, she responded: "I want to tell you something and not have you freak out".

"His immediate response was `I thought you were going to tell me something really bad, so thank God'." She started working at a strip club a couple of years ago and then built up the courage to go upstairs to the brothel. "I started at 12.30 that night and went home at 8am with $700."

Dorothy says it's important that a worker goes to the police if she has been attacked. "I had a friend who was raped by a client a few months ago. "She had a really positive experience with the police."

Field crime manager Detective Inspector Scott Beard says the relationship between the industry and police is no longer a "them" and "us". "Police would occasionally target the prostitute for soliciting, but since the reform that's changed and our relationship. The police are seen as a protector."

"Clients that see the 15 or so women, and one man, at Fun House specifically request sex workers from their website profiles, Ms Brennan says. Most brothels, however, would have a waiting room where the workers are on display for the client to choose.

Much more at: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6292753/...ma-remains]]>
More than 10,000 condoms are delivered in 70 boxes to the headquarters of the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective within a few minutes – in broad daylight. It's a far cry from a decade ago.

Sex workers no longer have to hide condoms in freezers, and they can carry them without worrying that they could be prosecuted for soliciting. It has been nearly nine years since New Zealand decriminalised prostitution under the Prostitution Reform Act 2003.

Sex workers say the stigma has eased, but still remains. Safe sex is freely promoted, they have a mandate to stand up to inappropriate behaviour from clients and employers, and whereas in the past they might have felt intimidated and threatened by police, they now work with them. "New Zealand sex workers have the best set of laws. We've seen situations where sex workers have taken on brothel operators for sexual harassment and won," Ms Healy says. "You just couldn't have imagined that before." The legislation is a model for other countries to follow, she says.

"There's a lot of work to be done in this industry to make it safer and happier and more accepted and leading on from that I believe that it will be able to help other areas of society, like providing intimacy to people who can't get it themselves, like people who are seriously disabled – physically or intellectually."

Ms Brennan has managed brothels for 16 years. She owns and operates Fun House and the MM Club, which offers dominatrix services. Before the reform she was working as a madam at a Wellington brothel when it was involved in an armed hold-up. "We were up all night at the police station. But no-one mentioned victim support or counselling for these girls because they were sex workers – it wouldn't have even crossed their minds."

Going to the police is quite a different matter now, Ms Brennan says. "They take extra care to make sure these girls go to Rape Crisis or are seen by Victim Support or are put in touch with the right agencies and that the girls are made to feel they've done nothing wrong."

The biggest change is that you can legally talk to workers about using condoms, she says. "Before the reform it wasn't legal to talk about it, even though we always did. If someone was a policewoman, for instance, you could be done for promoting commercial sex."

Dorothy, another sex worker, is a 22-year-old university student studying towards her second degree. She earns up to $1500 a day working in the industry. When the vivacious, confident and articulate Wellingtonian's father asked her what she wanted for her 21st birthday, she responded: "I want to tell you something and not have you freak out".

"His immediate response was `I thought you were going to tell me something really bad, so thank God'." She started working at a strip club a couple of years ago and then built up the courage to go upstairs to the brothel. "I started at 12.30 that night and went home at 8am with $700."

Dorothy says it's important that a worker goes to the police if she has been attacked. "I had a friend who was raped by a client a few months ago. "She had a really positive experience with the police."

Field crime manager Detective Inspector Scott Beard says the relationship between the industry and police is no longer a "them" and "us". "Police would occasionally target the prostitute for soliciting, but since the reform that's changed and our relationship. The police are seen as a protector."

"Clients that see the 15 or so women, and one man, at Fun House specifically request sex workers from their website profiles, Ms Brennan says. Most brothels, however, would have a waiting room where the workers are on display for the client to choose.

Much more at: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6292753/...ma-remains]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=738 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:51:35 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=738
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☆ Beautiful Girl For A Great Time!
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☆** NO TEXTS OR PRIVATE CALLS WILL BE ANSWERED **]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=735 Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:14:51 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=735
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Hello!!! My name is Storm, and I and my lovely friend Kiley are together doing body rubs for the ultimate in relaxation. We use a combination of advanced techniques to help ease away stress, loosedn tight muscles, and promote a general sense of peace & well-being. Remember, feeling good is good for you!!

In our relaxation room, you'll be greeted with soft music, candlelight, and the warmth of our hands on your skin. We use only non-scented, non-greasy lotions so that you won't have to deal with feeling "slippery" afterwards.

Prostate massage adds a whole new range of sensation and we are happy to "go there" if you like!! We're both highly skilled at this form of stimulation and you won't be disappointed.

We're not escorts, so please don't engage in escort activities, and we also don't engage in upselling.

We're available together on Fridays usually, and if we have seen you before, we're happy to schedule on another day as well.

Stormy & Kiley 480-430-6290
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Hello!!! My name is Storm, and I and my lovely friend Kiley are together doing body rubs for the ultimate in relaxation. We use a combination of advanced techniques to help ease away stress, loosedn tight muscles, and promote a general sense of peace & well-being. Remember, feeling good is good for you!!

In our relaxation room, you'll be greeted with soft music, candlelight, and the warmth of our hands on your skin. We use only non-scented, non-greasy lotions so that you won't have to deal with feeling "slippery" afterwards.

Prostate massage adds a whole new range of sensation and we are happy to "go there" if you like!! We're both highly skilled at this form of stimulation and you won't be disappointed.

We're not escorts, so please don't engage in escort activities, and we also don't engage in upselling.

We're available together on Fridays usually, and if we have seen you before, we're happy to schedule on another day as well.

Stormy & Kiley 480-430-6290
200/hr
]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=726 Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:08:37 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=726 Allow yourself to become acquainted with that sexy, ebony cutie that you’ve always had eyes for. My outgoing personality is intriguing, and my body is a captivating 36c-25-35, 125lbs, and at 5'2" I'm the perfect size to satisfy that chocolate craving.

I enjoy the company of mature, respectable, sincere gentlemen who are looking to break away from the repetitive routine and indulge in something exceptional. Our time spent will be far from ordinary

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~ All major CC accepted ~

Please Visit My Website for answers to all questions prior to calling..... 480-321-9759..

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I enjoy the company of mature, respectable, sincere gentlemen who are looking to break away from the repetitive routine and indulge in something exceptional. Our time spent will be far from ordinary

Satisfaction awaits you!

~ All major CC accepted ~

Please Visit My Website for answers to all questions prior to calling..... 480-321-9759..

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In my haven from the stresses of the daily grind, you can always count on my space being warm, comfortable, with candles glowing and soft music playing. You can enjoy some stimulating and amusing conversation while I massage you, or enjoy peaceful quiet if you prefer. Unless you specify otherwise, I use only unscented lotions that I make myself, so you won't feel slick or greasy afterwards. If you prefer, I also have my lotions that I blend with hand-selected aromatherapy scents that I can incorporate for additional soothing qualities.

I use a combination of Swedish, deep tissue, Reiki and reflexology methods as well as hot stone massage. I focus attention not just on your body, but on spots that many others skip over such as your face, feet, hands and cranial area. Mine truly are full body rubs and and many gents have told me that they can't get that kind of attention and treatment even from a spa treatment.

I'm very well reviewed at Naughty Reviews, please don't hesitate to read some accounts of how much I am enjoyed.

Prostate massage adds a delightful and naughty twist to your body rub experience, and mine are absolutely legendary. If you're interested, just ask.

I'm not an escort, and don't engage in traditional escort activities, so please don't ask for them. I also do not engage in upselling in any manner, so please don't worry about that.

I am available mornings, afternoons and evenings, 7 days per week. Appointments available for late evenings also available.

Stormy 480-430-6290
$150/45 min
Longer and shorter times are always available, but I don't recommend less than 45 minutes.

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In my haven from the stresses of the daily grind, you can always count on my space being warm, comfortable, with candles glowing and soft music playing. You can enjoy some stimulating and amusing conversation while I massage you, or enjoy peaceful quiet if you prefer. Unless you specify otherwise, I use only unscented lotions that I make myself, so you won't feel slick or greasy afterwards. If you prefer, I also have my lotions that I blend with hand-selected aromatherapy scents that I can incorporate for additional soothing qualities.

I use a combination of Swedish, deep tissue, Reiki and reflexology methods as well as hot stone massage. I focus attention not just on your body, but on spots that many others skip over such as your face, feet, hands and cranial area. Mine truly are full body rubs and and many gents have told me that they can't get that kind of attention and treatment even from a spa treatment.

I'm very well reviewed at Naughty Reviews, please don't hesitate to read some accounts of how much I am enjoyed.

Prostate massage adds a delightful and naughty twist to your body rub experience, and mine are absolutely legendary. If you're interested, just ask.

I'm not an escort, and don't engage in traditional escort activities, so please don't ask for them. I also do not engage in upselling in any manner, so please don't worry about that.

I am available mornings, afternoons and evenings, 7 days per week. Appointments available for late evenings also available.

Stormy 480-430-6290
$150/45 min
Longer and shorter times are always available, but I don't recommend less than 45 minutes.

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Why don't the “millions of forced against their will child victims” talk about how they were kidnapped and forced against their will by a evil pimp to have sex for profit? I would like to have a interview with the “millions of forced against their will raped kidnapped child victims” So I could hear their stories.

Where are they? Why do we only hear from the anti-prostitution groups that received money and grants from the government, and not the millions of victims themselves? If there are Millions of them, Shouldn't the police and public know where they are, and shouldn't we hear the millions of victims speak?

Instead, very few seem to really exist yet it is a source of lots of funding and profits for those that make up the lies about the extent of children and trafficking.

Do all men really love raping children who are kicking, crying and screaming, with no one willing to help? Like the anti-prostitution groups say?

Denver, Colorado Police are Forcing Prostitutes to Lie about being Forced, Sex Trafficking
http://bebopper76.wordpress.com

There is hard evidence that the sex slavery/sex trafficking issue continues to report false information and is greatly exaggerated by politicians, the media, and aid groups, feminist and religious organizations that receive funds from the government,
http://sextraffickingtruths.blogspot.com/

RESEARCH ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SEX TRAFFICKING, SEX SLAVERY, PROSTITUTION, INFORMATION, REPORTS, STUDIES, ESSAYS, TERM PAPERS, FACTS, FACT SHEET http://researchonhumantrafficking.blog.com/

WHERE ARE THE THOUSANDS OF SUPER BOWL KIDNAPPED FORCED CHILD SEX SLAVES??????? Do they exist?
http://sextraffickingvictims.blog.com/

Human Trafficking, Sex Slavery, Sex Trafficking in United States of America USA, Denver, Colorado, thesis, dissertation, research, exaggerated statistics
http://sextraffickingintheusa.wordpress.com/

New Research Demolishes Sex-Worker Stereotypes
http://www.villagevoice.com/sex-trafficking/

How latest UK trafficking statistics don't quite add up
UN denies that low convictions for trafficking may be due to wildly over exaggerated estimates
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/thread0027...g_hype.htm

Majority of sex workers 'not forced or trafficked'
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/a...fficked.do

Whore Stories: New research demolishes the stereotype of the underage sex worker
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-11-0...ng-minors/]]>
Why don't the “millions of forced against their will child victims” talk about how they were kidnapped and forced against their will by a evil pimp to have sex for profit? I would like to have a interview with the “millions of forced against their will raped kidnapped child victims” So I could hear their stories.

Where are they? Why do we only hear from the anti-prostitution groups that received money and grants from the government, and not the millions of victims themselves? If there are Millions of them, Shouldn't the police and public know where they are, and shouldn't we hear the millions of victims speak?

Instead, very few seem to really exist yet it is a source of lots of funding and profits for those that make up the lies about the extent of children and trafficking.

Do all men really love raping children who are kicking, crying and screaming, with no one willing to help? Like the anti-prostitution groups say?

Denver, Colorado Police are Forcing Prostitutes to Lie about being Forced, Sex Trafficking
http://bebopper76.wordpress.com

There is hard evidence that the sex slavery/sex trafficking issue continues to report false information and is greatly exaggerated by politicians, the media, and aid groups, feminist and religious organizations that receive funds from the government,
http://sextraffickingtruths.blogspot.com/

RESEARCH ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SEX TRAFFICKING, SEX SLAVERY, PROSTITUTION, INFORMATION, REPORTS, STUDIES, ESSAYS, TERM PAPERS, FACTS, FACT SHEET http://researchonhumantrafficking.blog.com/

WHERE ARE THE THOUSANDS OF SUPER BOWL KIDNAPPED FORCED CHILD SEX SLAVES??????? Do they exist?
http://sextraffickingvictims.blog.com/

Human Trafficking, Sex Slavery, Sex Trafficking in United States of America USA, Denver, Colorado, thesis, dissertation, research, exaggerated statistics
http://sextraffickingintheusa.wordpress.com/

New Research Demolishes Sex-Worker Stereotypes
http://www.villagevoice.com/sex-trafficking/

How latest UK trafficking statistics don't quite add up
UN denies that low convictions for trafficking may be due to wildly over exaggerated estimates
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/thread0027...g_hype.htm

Majority of sex workers 'not forced or trafficked'
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/a...fficked.do

Whore Stories: New research demolishes the stereotype of the underage sex worker
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-11-0...ng-minors/]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=692 Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:11:32 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=692 New Zealand and Australia did not go too far.
In New Zealand a "brothel" (this is a legal defintition not common usage) more often called a SOOB if it is a residential area is limited to 4 girls and they must all be independant workers. They are not supposed to have a boss but in fact usually one person runs the house and looks after supplies etc.
They do not need to be registered, a registered brothel is not allowed in a residential area. If a brothel is registered it can have as many girls as it wants but it must apply to the local council for consent.
The Councils dont like the SOOBs because they have no control, the control of a SOOB is at a national government level at carried out by the Health department of the national government.
Australia is similar but only one girls is supposed to work in the SOOB and they can have one male for security.]]> New Zealand and Australia did not go too far.
In New Zealand a "brothel" (this is a legal defintition not common usage) more often called a SOOB if it is a residential area is limited to 4 girls and they must all be independant workers. They are not supposed to have a boss but in fact usually one person runs the house and looks after supplies etc.
They do not need to be registered, a registered brothel is not allowed in a residential area. If a brothel is registered it can have as many girls as it wants but it must apply to the local council for consent.
The Councils dont like the SOOBs because they have no control, the control of a SOOB is at a national government level at carried out by the Health department of the national government.
Australia is similar but only one girls is supposed to work in the SOOB and they can have one male for security.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=664 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:29:20 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=664
I love my body art (a work in progress) but as they say, “you can’t always judge a book by it’s cover” because I’m a gentle romantic at heart who loves tobe treated with tender kindness. I’m a “flowers and chocolates” kind of girl who finds some of the simplest gestures to be the most romantic and erotic. It’s not expensive gifts or demonstrations of personal wealth that turn me on. Rather, it’s full body massages and sweet things whispered in my ear that are romantically and sexually intoxicating that often leave me weak in the knees.

Even though I’ve got the look of a total Rock ‘n’ Roll babe (and I do love to rock!) the men I’m most attracted to are well-groomed, look great in a suit, and are ambitious withdefinite goals in life. And a man who’s honest and emotionally authentic will win me over a lot faster than a man with the looks of a model.

While I love getting dressed upin heels and a simple but sexy black dress and going out to a quiet, candle-litdinner, especially one off the beaten path, there’s also a bit of a tomboy in me. So a day of racing dirt bikes,fishing out on a lake or the ocean, scuba diving (I’m certified!), or simply a peaceful day soaking up the sun is just as appealing. I especially like traveling to beaches where I have the freedom to go topless.

But what I look forward to most is our time spent together behind closed doors where I can show my appreciation for your company and my natural sensuality can be fully expressed without being judge by traditional social conventions. While I certainly prefer the feel and touch of a man, I’m not against being a little more adventuresome by inviting another woman to join us, doubling the pleasure factor for both of us.

Because I enjoy receiving pleasure as much as giving it, I try to create an atmosphere of warmth and non-judgmental acceptance that allows us to fully and freely express to eachother our true desires and fantasies. I’m never a clock-watcher and our time together is never rushed, whetherit’s a mid day interlude of an hour or a longer date that allows us to take ourtime getting to know each other and to connect on a deeper, more meaningful level in a way that’s sure to create lasting memories for both of us.

Soon, I’ll be going back to school to earn my degree in business. But before I surrender to the academic pressures and countless hours of studying, I’m looking forward to meeting quality men and rocking your world with an erotically indulgent and memorable experience that will leave you breathlessly satisfied like you’ve never been before

Please see my new website for pictures, donations and contact info.
http://www.kristastarr.com
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I love my body art (a work in progress) but as they say, “you can’t always judge a book by it’s cover” because I’m a gentle romantic at heart who loves tobe treated with tender kindness. I’m a “flowers and chocolates” kind of girl who finds some of the simplest gestures to be the most romantic and erotic. It’s not expensive gifts or demonstrations of personal wealth that turn me on. Rather, it’s full body massages and sweet things whispered in my ear that are romantically and sexually intoxicating that often leave me weak in the knees.

Even though I’ve got the look of a total Rock ‘n’ Roll babe (and I do love to rock!) the men I’m most attracted to are well-groomed, look great in a suit, and are ambitious withdefinite goals in life. And a man who’s honest and emotionally authentic will win me over a lot faster than a man with the looks of a model.

While I love getting dressed upin heels and a simple but sexy black dress and going out to a quiet, candle-litdinner, especially one off the beaten path, there’s also a bit of a tomboy in me. So a day of racing dirt bikes,fishing out on a lake or the ocean, scuba diving (I’m certified!), or simply a peaceful day soaking up the sun is just as appealing. I especially like traveling to beaches where I have the freedom to go topless.

But what I look forward to most is our time spent together behind closed doors where I can show my appreciation for your company and my natural sensuality can be fully expressed without being judge by traditional social conventions. While I certainly prefer the feel and touch of a man, I’m not against being a little more adventuresome by inviting another woman to join us, doubling the pleasure factor for both of us.

Because I enjoy receiving pleasure as much as giving it, I try to create an atmosphere of warmth and non-judgmental acceptance that allows us to fully and freely express to eachother our true desires and fantasies. I’m never a clock-watcher and our time together is never rushed, whetherit’s a mid day interlude of an hour or a longer date that allows us to take ourtime getting to know each other and to connect on a deeper, more meaningful level in a way that’s sure to create lasting memories for both of us.

Soon, I’ll be going back to school to earn my degree in business. But before I surrender to the academic pressures and countless hours of studying, I’m looking forward to meeting quality men and rocking your world with an erotically indulgent and memorable experience that will leave you breathlessly satisfied like you’ve never been before

Please see my new website for pictures, donations and contact info.
http://www.kristastarr.com
]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=662 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 06:33:37 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=662 I enjoy the company of mature, respectable, sincere gentlemen who are looking to break away from the repetitive routine and indulge in something exceptional. Our time spent will be far from ordinary

~ Available for Incall ~ Special touring rates ~ $160hhr ~ $250/hr ~

~~ PLEASE VIEW MONICASWEETS.COM FOR REVIEWS, & SERVICES ~~]]> I enjoy the company of mature, respectable, sincere gentlemen who are looking to break away from the repetitive routine and indulge in something exceptional. Our time spent will be far from ordinary

~ Available for Incall ~ Special touring rates ~ $160hhr ~ $250/hr ~

~~ PLEASE VIEW MONICASWEETS.COM FOR REVIEWS, & SERVICES ~~]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=661 Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:53:39 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=661
Detail Review of Sex and Happiness – Raids on the Phoenix and Sedona Goddess Temples
hosted by Laurie Handler - full 60 minute audio at
http://media.blubrry.com/webtalkradio/we...092611.mp3

I kind of played this webcast while doing something else expecting to hear will all due respect Tracy like sermons on the history of sacred prostitutes in history all about goddess and spiritual sexuality. As many know while I am 100% supportive of Tantra and all different spiritual beliefs, I personally am not Hindu, and don't have these beliefs. Yet I know and iam in contact after the raid with many at the Temple, I know Tracy, lots of discussion with her on legal issues a year or more ago, and am outspoken on Temple defense ideas both using the "compelling interest" religious issue in AZ law and a direct challenge to sexwork laws such as Lawrence vs Texas that some have said this case screams out for.

While the panel is very spiritual sex oriented, I really started paying attention from minute 39 on. The discussion is outstanding - not just on the religious issues - but healing sexwork with or without the religious approach. The panels include many experienced sex therapists, with wide range of sexwork related practices.

Near the end I was also surprised that I think it was my libchrist.com and organization was discussed favorably - will have to confirm

Short Summary
I am going to review two of the closing remarks and make them the lead. They to me set the tone and reflect my main interests in my sexwork.com and related sites and for over a decade have been "preaching" about positive sexuality, intimacy and decriminalization of all forms of in private consenting adult sexwork (not street hookers with drugs and pimps)

Dr. Betty Martin says there are times in our lives when we need a little help in life. And sometimes that need is for experience as opposed to just talking. At times we need that kind of help around intimacy and sexuality. There are many people that can provide that kind of help She would like to see ALL sexwork of ANY kind decriminalized.

Mare Simone makes the point how pleasure has been made illegal and controlled in such a way that there are a lot of sex starved, touch starved and love starved people. Sexwork can heal people (in its various forms). She calls for a coalition of all sex positive people to come together as a team that is much more powerful as separate units.

I say.. Amen! And pass the offering plate for financial support to defend the 39 felony indicted (most twice) Temple folks. I have extensive legal discussions elsewhere.

The Panel on the webcast:
Host Laurie Handlers is a sex educator, author, and intimacy coach. She holds a Masters degree in Education and a Bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Sociology. Her career includes over thirty years as a corporate change consultant, individual empowerment coach and international seminar leader. Website http://butterflyworkshops.com and http://webtalkradio.net/shows/sex-and-happiness/

EveLynn Goddess, Sacred Intimate; Beloved Courtesan and Graceful Geisha. Certified Sexological Bodyworker program developed and taught by Dr. Joseph Kramer. This certification is the first of its kind to be recognized in California as a valid therapeutic modality. She is currently completing a doctoral program in holistic life coaching.a founding member and President of ASEP (Association of Sexual Energy Professionals). She is also a member of American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT) http://www.awakeningbody.com

Betty Martin, Chiropractor, a Body Electric School trained Sacred Intimate, Certified Sexological Bodyworker, Foundations of Facilitation trainer,taught peer counseling, gender liberation, embodiment and empowerment, fantasy play, goddess awakening and erotic massage and played with contact improv dance. She trains and certify new facilitators for a touch and communication workshop called Cuddle Party. (Dave notes I was once rejected by Cuddle Party to attend in Phoenix because I was too "advanced," but love to cuddle. http://www.eroticeducation.org/Erotic_Ed.../Home.html

Mare Simone, Certified Tantra Educator, Certified Sex Surrogate since 1986, founded Tantra Connections in Los Angeles, on TV in HBO’s, Real Sex… The Playboy Channel… British ITV… E! Entertainment and more! http://www.maresimone.com

Scott Catamas, an EMMY award winning writer and producer, with a long list of credits. He has created hundreds of hours of television programming for HBO, FOX, NBC, UPN, SHOWTIME and national syndication. In January of 2007, Scott and Lori Grace were invited to become part of Al Gore's Climate Project Presenters team http://www.lovecoachscott.com/

Shama Helena http://www.thepleasureparadigm.com certified hypnotherapist, metaphysical teacher, book writer and counselor in private practice. I note her extensive training includes Shamanic sexuality mentioning Ina Laughing Winds in Phoenix who years ago we had do an interesting about the sex organs workshop (different types and how "fit" together best from Indian teachings) for the Liberated Christians Phoenix Couples group.
Starting at 39 minutes - the women that is saying "I have a different view"... GREAT.... I think it is Dr. Betty Martin

She disagrees on trying to separate professional healing sessions from prostitution.

Reasons:
What happens between the client and "practitioner" is too individual to be able to decide if a session is healing enough to qualify as healing or not so we are going to call it "prostitution." That can be a very thin line to draw. She believes it is an impossible and unnecessary line to draw.

As far as the law is concerned with two adults behind closed doors it is none of our freaking business what they are doing. If prostitution were not illegal - if it were decriminalized, as she believes it should be, as a victim less crime - than the one would not have to create a Church or call it something else besides prostitution. She believes there is no way to judge the healing impact on those of us involved, there is just no way we can judge that.

I believe it was host Laurie Handlers that said, the law is trying to create is a separation between the drug invested part of prostitution, the hard core prostitution with the pimp..and there is where I would want to define the line.

(Dave notes that is easy-decriminalize like in almost all the rest of the world private outcalls, incalls (with restrictions for zoning etc) but not street prostitution. Keep laws against FORCED pimping (not agency/Tempe owner), against underage against kidnapping etc. It works great in almost all the world except the U.S., with no big issues when you take away the crime in in private consenting adult sexwork).

Laurie I think notes that a lot of men send their young men sons to a prostitute for their first sexual experience.Dave notes - like the AZU student that called me years ago from my site sexwork.com, wanting me to refer him to a professional since he wanted his first sexual experience to be positive and not just in the back seat of a car. He felt a bit guilty being in college and still a virgin.)

Someone talked about if it wasn't a crime and we had a more positive view of it where it was honored vs when criminal you create a criminal environment. If you go to other place where its legal you have a much less criminal environment.

Dave especially likes this as I often say this about Canada, zillions of really nice women, often working there way through college mostly nice clients, can openly discuss on huge sites like terb.ca, merb.ca, perb.ca that Fred created more than a decade ago, and just no big deal.

I especially like "nude reverse massage" and some of these massage gals I do better real massage as part of it, then some of the highly trained LMT's in the U.S. And what I enjoy the most the high part intimacy side and giving them massage I have never experienced in the U.S. where you have to games and negotiate "extras" like a hand release. In many "adult massage parlors" very clean, modern not dirty and hidden, in Canada you just pay fixed fee like $140 for 50 minutes of nude-reverse and of course the hand release is just normal part of it - no big deal and can be very healthy release of sexual tension besides the more intimacy interactions I enjoy (I have been professionally trained in Esalen massage, taught couples groups, hosted massage rooms at swing parties etc so have a special interest especially in "caring for the soul not just the body" concept of Esalen massage and great types of caring touch.

Scott Catamas, wisely points out we have such an imbalanced country, we use sex to sell everything yet have this strong Judeo-Christian ethic. Then good discussion of how change takes place and need to educate about the positives aspects of sexuality vs the negative ideas.

Dave notes I am especially upset with the traditional "Christian" repression teachings which clearly has no biblical basis for which I created Liberated Christians and libchrist.com more than a decade ago. I also have been a speaker on "Swinging Christians not a Biblical Conflict" at 3 Lifestyles conventions (largest national swing organization) and filled convention rooms with interested people. This was long ago but last I checked they were still selling a video tape of the session that included some others that came with me to LA, from the Liberated Christians Phoenix Couples group I led with 350 members in Phoenix.

Ahh..this got my attention, I believe it was Shama Helena: "You know there is a Christian organization that is a lot more sex positive than most that talks about these kinds of issues that would be interesting to coalice with them a little bit and see how they are approaching as they understand the nature of what they are dealing with ....ah... Dave shyly raises hand in amazement -I wonder if that is me?]]>
Detail Review of Sex and Happiness – Raids on the Phoenix and Sedona Goddess Temples
hosted by Laurie Handler - full 60 minute audio at
http://media.blubrry.com/webtalkradio/we...092611.mp3

I kind of played this webcast while doing something else expecting to hear will all due respect Tracy like sermons on the history of sacred prostitutes in history all about goddess and spiritual sexuality. As many know while I am 100% supportive of Tantra and all different spiritual beliefs, I personally am not Hindu, and don't have these beliefs. Yet I know and iam in contact after the raid with many at the Temple, I know Tracy, lots of discussion with her on legal issues a year or more ago, and am outspoken on Temple defense ideas both using the "compelling interest" religious issue in AZ law and a direct challenge to sexwork laws such as Lawrence vs Texas that some have said this case screams out for.

While the panel is very spiritual sex oriented, I really started paying attention from minute 39 on. The discussion is outstanding - not just on the religious issues - but healing sexwork with or without the religious approach. The panels include many experienced sex therapists, with wide range of sexwork related practices.

Near the end I was also surprised that I think it was my libchrist.com and organization was discussed favorably - will have to confirm

Short Summary
I am going to review two of the closing remarks and make them the lead. They to me set the tone and reflect my main interests in my sexwork.com and related sites and for over a decade have been "preaching" about positive sexuality, intimacy and decriminalization of all forms of in private consenting adult sexwork (not street hookers with drugs and pimps)

Dr. Betty Martin says there are times in our lives when we need a little help in life. And sometimes that need is for experience as opposed to just talking. At times we need that kind of help around intimacy and sexuality. There are many people that can provide that kind of help She would like to see ALL sexwork of ANY kind decriminalized.

Mare Simone makes the point how pleasure has been made illegal and controlled in such a way that there are a lot of sex starved, touch starved and love starved people. Sexwork can heal people (in its various forms). She calls for a coalition of all sex positive people to come together as a team that is much more powerful as separate units.

I say.. Amen! And pass the offering plate for financial support to defend the 39 felony indicted (most twice) Temple folks. I have extensive legal discussions elsewhere.

The Panel on the webcast:
Host Laurie Handlers is a sex educator, author, and intimacy coach. She holds a Masters degree in Education and a Bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Sociology. Her career includes over thirty years as a corporate change consultant, individual empowerment coach and international seminar leader. Website http://butterflyworkshops.com and http://webtalkradio.net/shows/sex-and-happiness/

EveLynn Goddess, Sacred Intimate; Beloved Courtesan and Graceful Geisha. Certified Sexological Bodyworker program developed and taught by Dr. Joseph Kramer. This certification is the first of its kind to be recognized in California as a valid therapeutic modality. She is currently completing a doctoral program in holistic life coaching.a founding member and President of ASEP (Association of Sexual Energy Professionals). She is also a member of American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT) http://www.awakeningbody.com

Betty Martin, Chiropractor, a Body Electric School trained Sacred Intimate, Certified Sexological Bodyworker, Foundations of Facilitation trainer,taught peer counseling, gender liberation, embodiment and empowerment, fantasy play, goddess awakening and erotic massage and played with contact improv dance. She trains and certify new facilitators for a touch and communication workshop called Cuddle Party. (Dave notes I was once rejected by Cuddle Party to attend in Phoenix because I was too "advanced," but love to cuddle. http://www.eroticeducation.org/Erotic_Ed.../Home.html

Mare Simone, Certified Tantra Educator, Certified Sex Surrogate since 1986, founded Tantra Connections in Los Angeles, on TV in HBO’s, Real Sex… The Playboy Channel… British ITV… E! Entertainment and more! http://www.maresimone.com

Scott Catamas, an EMMY award winning writer and producer, with a long list of credits. He has created hundreds of hours of television programming for HBO, FOX, NBC, UPN, SHOWTIME and national syndication. In January of 2007, Scott and Lori Grace were invited to become part of Al Gore's Climate Project Presenters team http://www.lovecoachscott.com/

Shama Helena http://www.thepleasureparadigm.com certified hypnotherapist, metaphysical teacher, book writer and counselor in private practice. I note her extensive training includes Shamanic sexuality mentioning Ina Laughing Winds in Phoenix who years ago we had do an interesting about the sex organs workshop (different types and how "fit" together best from Indian teachings) for the Liberated Christians Phoenix Couples group.
Starting at 39 minutes - the women that is saying "I have a different view"... GREAT.... I think it is Dr. Betty Martin

She disagrees on trying to separate professional healing sessions from prostitution.

Reasons:
What happens between the client and "practitioner" is too individual to be able to decide if a session is healing enough to qualify as healing or not so we are going to call it "prostitution." That can be a very thin line to draw. She believes it is an impossible and unnecessary line to draw.

As far as the law is concerned with two adults behind closed doors it is none of our freaking business what they are doing. If prostitution were not illegal - if it were decriminalized, as she believes it should be, as a victim less crime - than the one would not have to create a Church or call it something else besides prostitution. She believes there is no way to judge the healing impact on those of us involved, there is just no way we can judge that.

I believe it was host Laurie Handlers that said, the law is trying to create is a separation between the drug invested part of prostitution, the hard core prostitution with the pimp..and there is where I would want to define the line.

(Dave notes that is easy-decriminalize like in almost all the rest of the world private outcalls, incalls (with restrictions for zoning etc) but not street prostitution. Keep laws against FORCED pimping (not agency/Tempe owner), against underage against kidnapping etc. It works great in almost all the world except the U.S., with no big issues when you take away the crime in in private consenting adult sexwork).

Laurie I think notes that a lot of men send their young men sons to a prostitute for their first sexual experience.Dave notes - like the AZU student that called me years ago from my site sexwork.com, wanting me to refer him to a professional since he wanted his first sexual experience to be positive and not just in the back seat of a car. He felt a bit guilty being in college and still a virgin.)

Someone talked about if it wasn't a crime and we had a more positive view of it where it was honored vs when criminal you create a criminal environment. If you go to other place where its legal you have a much less criminal environment.

Dave especially likes this as I often say this about Canada, zillions of really nice women, often working there way through college mostly nice clients, can openly discuss on huge sites like terb.ca, merb.ca, perb.ca that Fred created more than a decade ago, and just no big deal.

I especially like "nude reverse massage" and some of these massage gals I do better real massage as part of it, then some of the highly trained LMT's in the U.S. And what I enjoy the most the high part intimacy side and giving them massage I have never experienced in the U.S. where you have to games and negotiate "extras" like a hand release. In many "adult massage parlors" very clean, modern not dirty and hidden, in Canada you just pay fixed fee like $140 for 50 minutes of nude-reverse and of course the hand release is just normal part of it - no big deal and can be very healthy release of sexual tension besides the more intimacy interactions I enjoy (I have been professionally trained in Esalen massage, taught couples groups, hosted massage rooms at swing parties etc so have a special interest especially in "caring for the soul not just the body" concept of Esalen massage and great types of caring touch.

Scott Catamas, wisely points out we have such an imbalanced country, we use sex to sell everything yet have this strong Judeo-Christian ethic. Then good discussion of how change takes place and need to educate about the positives aspects of sexuality vs the negative ideas.

Dave notes I am especially upset with the traditional "Christian" repression teachings which clearly has no biblical basis for which I created Liberated Christians and libchrist.com more than a decade ago. I also have been a speaker on "Swinging Christians not a Biblical Conflict" at 3 Lifestyles conventions (largest national swing organization) and filled convention rooms with interested people. This was long ago but last I checked they were still selling a video tape of the session that included some others that came with me to LA, from the Liberated Christians Phoenix Couples group I led with 350 members in Phoenix.

Ahh..this got my attention, I believe it was Shama Helena: "You know there is a Christian organization that is a lot more sex positive than most that talks about these kinds of issues that would be interesting to coalice with them a little bit and see how they are approaching as they understand the nature of what they are dealing with ....ah... Dave shyly raises hand in amazement -I wonder if that is me?]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=660 Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:50:42 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=660
The religious Tantra like exceptions to AZ (and many other states) prostitution law relies on the state's compelling interest. The arguments for this may be the same as the arguments needed to strike down in private consenting adult prostitution laws which begin with Lawrence.v Texas Supreme Court case (See http://www.sexwork.com/legal/LawrencevsTexas.html But post Lawrence lower Courts have taken a narrow view with a bit more liberal at a 9th Circuit Appeals case.

Even while most sexual freedom cases post Lawrence have been lost, what the Courts are using to support anti-sex laws can help in defining new strategies to counter the States arguments mostly based on traditional old moral views or limits to sexual freedoms to intimate marriage , or marriage potential type of relationships.

In the years since Lawrence many law journal and other legal presentations discussiLawrence and the issues it raised - rights of privacy and morality can not be the basis of laws. I much of the world outside the U.S. outcall prostitution is legal and incall with various restrictions. In many studies the adverse stereotypical views of private prostitution are not supported by the facts and experiences of countries where legal.

Reimagining the Right to Commercial Sex: The Impact of Lawrence v.Texas on Prostitution Statutes, 9 N.Y. CITY L. REV. 161, 176–81 (2005) Argues that Lawrence represents a step toward decriminalizing prostitution. Very good discussion about the recent failures to expand Lawrence and suggesting the arguments needed to overcome using post Lawrence cases such as Williams, 811 N.E.2d and Johnson, 376 N.E.2d at 386

The key issues:
1) Preventing venereal disease
2) Cutting down prostitution-related crimes of violence and theft
3) Protecting the integrity and stability of family life
4) Protecting public welfare

Some arguments against States interest and compelling interests can be derived from the big Canadian case as well as studies from countries where its legal and not resulting in the negative "state interests."

Another interesting study targeting "morality" and alleged "harms":
" A debate that raged in Anglo-American jurisprudential circles more than fifty years ago is, in fact, alive and well today ... in courtrooms, parliaments, and even the corridors of the United Nations. At issue is the role of morality in defining criminal offences and, specifically, whether public morality may be used to justify restrictions on personal conduct that has no harmful effects... The recommendations of the UK Wolfenden Committee and the decisions of both the European Court of Human Rights and the UN Human Rights Committee all share the assumption that interferences with private (and consensual and adult) sexual behaviour could not be justified with reference to public morals. (Long listing of 'harms' argued) Although most and perhaps all of these examples may be refuted based on the harm principle, communities and by extension courts are reluctant to completely surrender morals as a legitimate basis for criminal sanction." Source: A very extensive report referencing other law journals etc MORALITY TALES IN COMPARATIVE JURISPRUDENCE: WHAT THE LAW SAYS ABOUT SEX - Amsterdamlawforum at http://ojs.ubvu.vu.nl/alf/article/download/208/394

Sex In and Out of Intimacy- Emory Law Journal, 2010
This Article challenges the single vision of sexual intimacy reinforced by Lawrence. Other legal scholars have argued that intimate sexual relationships should be protected outside of marriage, or that sex and marriage should be separated from state support for families. It concludes by considering how the values furthered by alternative constructions of sex and intimacy could support a constitutional right to engage in consensual sexual activity without regard to intimacy. http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/journ...othman.pdf

A number of folks are trying to develop a national interest the Temple case could bring on these issues. Not only in the Tantra type community but hopefully to broader private sexworkers. Bring it public also may have hope, however faint. of finding some wealthy folks that might help finance a legal battle. A lot of wealthy business folks are involved in the escort side as escorts can be very expensive some get $1000/hr or more with clients happy and able to afford.

If we can broaden the appeal with a strategy not just to spiritual tantra issues but to the much wider group of escorts and clients perhaps would be beneficial.

But key to this is unless one has been charged with the crime one has no standing to pursue. But if any of the 39 Temple folks might have lawyers willing to seriously take up the fight perhaps ..maybe.. could find some meaningful financial support more than just within the Tantra community to finance a major legal battle.

I believe there is a lot of evidence that can argue against these state interests but will take lots of work to take from many sources, organize, and summarize and have a lawyer willing to take on the fight.

Lots of older information on Lawrence v Texas at
http://www.sexwork.com/legal/LawrencevsTexas.html]]>
The religious Tantra like exceptions to AZ (and many other states) prostitution law relies on the state's compelling interest. The arguments for this may be the same as the arguments needed to strike down in private consenting adult prostitution laws which begin with Lawrence.v Texas Supreme Court case (See http://www.sexwork.com/legal/LawrencevsTexas.html But post Lawrence lower Courts have taken a narrow view with a bit more liberal at a 9th Circuit Appeals case.

Even while most sexual freedom cases post Lawrence have been lost, what the Courts are using to support anti-sex laws can help in defining new strategies to counter the States arguments mostly based on traditional old moral views or limits to sexual freedoms to intimate marriage , or marriage potential type of relationships.

In the years since Lawrence many law journal and other legal presentations discussiLawrence and the issues it raised - rights of privacy and morality can not be the basis of laws. I much of the world outside the U.S. outcall prostitution is legal and incall with various restrictions. In many studies the adverse stereotypical views of private prostitution are not supported by the facts and experiences of countries where legal.

Reimagining the Right to Commercial Sex: The Impact of Lawrence v.Texas on Prostitution Statutes, 9 N.Y. CITY L. REV. 161, 176–81 (2005) Argues that Lawrence represents a step toward decriminalizing prostitution. Very good discussion about the recent failures to expand Lawrence and suggesting the arguments needed to overcome using post Lawrence cases such as Williams, 811 N.E.2d and Johnson, 376 N.E.2d at 386

The key issues:
1) Preventing venereal disease
2) Cutting down prostitution-related crimes of violence and theft
3) Protecting the integrity and stability of family life
4) Protecting public welfare

Some arguments against States interest and compelling interests can be derived from the big Canadian case as well as studies from countries where its legal and not resulting in the negative "state interests."

Another interesting study targeting "morality" and alleged "harms":
" A debate that raged in Anglo-American jurisprudential circles more than fifty years ago is, in fact, alive and well today ... in courtrooms, parliaments, and even the corridors of the United Nations. At issue is the role of morality in defining criminal offences and, specifically, whether public morality may be used to justify restrictions on personal conduct that has no harmful effects... The recommendations of the UK Wolfenden Committee and the decisions of both the European Court of Human Rights and the UN Human Rights Committee all share the assumption that interferences with private (and consensual and adult) sexual behaviour could not be justified with reference to public morals. (Long listing of 'harms' argued) Although most and perhaps all of these examples may be refuted based on the harm principle, communities and by extension courts are reluctant to completely surrender morals as a legitimate basis for criminal sanction." Source: A very extensive report referencing other law journals etc MORALITY TALES IN COMPARATIVE JURISPRUDENCE: WHAT THE LAW SAYS ABOUT SEX - Amsterdamlawforum at http://ojs.ubvu.vu.nl/alf/article/download/208/394

Sex In and Out of Intimacy- Emory Law Journal, 2010
This Article challenges the single vision of sexual intimacy reinforced by Lawrence. Other legal scholars have argued that intimate sexual relationships should be protected outside of marriage, or that sex and marriage should be separated from state support for families. It concludes by considering how the values furthered by alternative constructions of sex and intimacy could support a constitutional right to engage in consensual sexual activity without regard to intimacy. http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/journ...othman.pdf

A number of folks are trying to develop a national interest the Temple case could bring on these issues. Not only in the Tantra type community but hopefully to broader private sexworkers. Bring it public also may have hope, however faint. of finding some wealthy folks that might help finance a legal battle. A lot of wealthy business folks are involved in the escort side as escorts can be very expensive some get $1000/hr or more with clients happy and able to afford.

If we can broaden the appeal with a strategy not just to spiritual tantra issues but to the much wider group of escorts and clients perhaps would be beneficial.

But key to this is unless one has been charged with the crime one has no standing to pursue. But if any of the 39 Temple folks might have lawyers willing to seriously take up the fight perhaps ..maybe.. could find some meaningful financial support more than just within the Tantra community to finance a major legal battle.

I believe there is a lot of evidence that can argue against these state interests but will take lots of work to take from many sources, organize, and summarize and have a lawyer willing to take on the fight.

Lots of older information on Lawrence v Texas at
http://www.sexwork.com/legal/LawrencevsTexas.html]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=659 Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:43:07 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=659
Short Summary
As far as I can tell spiritual sexuality/Tantra has never been tested in Arizona higher courts. We do have a AZ Supreme Court case related to marijuana as a sacrament that seems the closest test of AZ Free Exercise of Religion Law. Even though the case was lost on facts very different from the Temple, it lays out the legal tests that might be useful in a defense.

As a 2nd line of defense in the "Sign this Petition to Support Goddess Temple" I note Julian Piccillo includes as I have encouraged to also use a Lawrence vs Texas defense.

Julian says near the bottom of the page, "The Goddess Temple holds legal status as a church. They will likely mount a defense based on religious freedom, which seems appropriate as in essence this is the state attempting to legislate one morality over another morality. Fortunately, the separation of church and state – you know the basis of our country – makes this problematic. I hope we see this go to the supreme court where Lawrence v. Texas (2003) will certainly play the role many of us hoped to see it play years ago regarding the decriminalization of sex work."

For those that want lots of detail I share in depth the AZ Supreme Court case, and facts considered by an AZ Appeals Court .

Then I will quote parts of a post by Robyn Lynn Thoren, a Sex and Intimacy Coach who in my view has posted one of the best comments about the positive aspects of sexual healing, not just about religious aspects but also more broad aspects. In my opinion she includes good arguments to try to defeat "compelling interest" which is the key two words in a religious freedom battle in the Courts.

I am not a lawyer just a long time advocate - All defendants should seek competent legal advice.

Extensive Details
A.R.S. § 41-1493.01 Free exercise of religion protected but ... but...

The only relevant AZ Court decisions I can find relate to marijuana use as a sacrament. This is far different than "spiritual sexuality" etc as in Tantra and the Temple case. However it is the same overall issue of religious practice.

The pivotal case is Arizona Supreme Court CR-08-0244-PR of 9/8/2009 that affirms the AZ Court of Appeals 1 CA-CR 06-0966 which resulted from the appeal of Yavapai County Superior Court DANNY RAY HARDESTY, CR 820060181

Mr Hardesty lost his case at all levels to use marijuana as a sacrament under the AZ Free Exercise of religion law, but a close examination shows the main reason he lost does not apply and could possible open up this defense in the Temple or Tantric cases. After the negative Court conclusions below keep reading... I will develop the potential positive side.

In 2008 the Arizona Court of Appeals officially rejected any right to use marijuana as a sacrament. The Court ruled that the First Amendment protections of free exercise of religion did not entitle Arizona resident Daniel Hardesty to use marijuana as a “sacrament” of his church.

This was appealed to the AZ Supreme Court which in 2009 ruled that the state’s interest in banning marijuana outweighs the religious beliefs of an individual.

Summary of Legal issue:
In a unanimous opinion, the justices said state law permits the government to “burden the exercise of religion” only if it shows a compelling interest and that the restrictions are the “least restrictive means of furthering that interest.” And Daniel Hardesty conceded to the court that there is some governmental interest in the regulation of marijuana.

BUT keep reading....Justia US LAW pointed out:
But Chief Justice Rebecca White Berch said that, given the claim by Hardesty that his membership in the Church of Cognizance allows him to use marijuana anywhere and anytime — including driving — it is clear that the “least restrictive means” of the government to further its interests in protecting the public is an outright ban. The ruling, however, does not foreclose the possibility that the state’s high court might not conclude that some other religious use of marijuana is acceptable. Berch pointed out that courts have allowed users of peyote to use federal laws to shield them from prosecution against state drug laws. She said, though, there is “an obvious difference” between the situations.

“Members of the Native American Church assert only the religious right to use peyote in limited sacramental rights,” the chief justice wrote. “Hardesty asserts the right to use marijuana whenever he pleases, including while driving.”

Dave notes, under the Controlled Substance Act there is a specific exemption for only and only peyote in these religious ceremonies. The Peyote exception has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court but gain this by law exception ONLY applies specifically to peyote, nothing else.

Facts of this case:
Hardesty was driving at night and was stopped because one headlight was out, and the officer found 14 grams of marijuana. Hardesty argued he was protected by the he free exercise clauses of the Arizona and Federal Constitutions, Arizona's Free Exercise of Religion Act (“FERA”), the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (“RFRA”), and the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998.

It seems logical he lost claiming all use even in his car was religiously protected. He lost on these facts but what about if used as a religious ritual. Could this apply to "spiritual sexuality"?

RFRA which I have previously discussed in detail is footnoted in the Supreme Court case as invalid as to State law per City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U.S. 507, 117 S.Ct. 2157, so that defense is not relevant.

International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 seems even less relevant. It promote religious freedom as a foreign policy of the United States, and to advocate on the behalf of the individuals viewed as persecuted in foreign countries on the account of religion. The Temple is not related to any foreign persecution- nor was Hardesty.

Highlights of AZ Supreme Court Decision
A party who raises a religious exercise claim or defense must establish three elements: (1) that an action or refusal to act is motivated by a religious belief, (2) that the religious belief is sincerely held, and (3) that the governmental action substantially burdens the exercise of religious beliefs. (Dave notes Temple case should meet all of these as the State admitted Hardesty met so the key is the next part).

Once the claimant establishes a religious belief that is sincerely held and substantially burdened, the burden shifts to the state to demonstrate that its action furthers a “compelling governmental interest” and is “the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.” (Dave notes this is the KEY I keep bringing up as what is needed to defend)

Hardesty contended this is a fact issue that would be decided by a jury. The Supreme Court disagreed saying that this issue is a question of law, not fact and therefore to be determined by the Court (judge not jury).

In Yoder, the Court acknowledged that religiously based conduct is “often subject to regulation by the States in the exercise of their undoubted power to promote the health, safety, and general welfare, or the Federal Government in the exercise of its delegated powers.” 406 U.S. at 220, 92 S.Ct. 1526. (Dave notes the key issue is health, safety and general welfare - very broad, health and safety should not be an issue at the Temple.)

Regarding Compelling interest the Court ruled based on many other cases that courts consistently find this is a compelling interest in many marijuana cases BECAUSE it poses a real threat to individual health and social welfare. (Dave notes spiritual sex may produce orgasm which is beneficial medically to individual heath - I would testify strongly to this. So the issue becomes "Social Welfare" whatever that is and may be a key point relate do the Temple case.

The State asserted at least two compelling interests: preventing the deleterious health effects associated with marijuana use and combating the danger to public safety and welfare that result from trafficking in marijuana. The State presented several cases in which courts found compelling the government's interest in regulating marijuana and combating the crimes associated with drug use and drug trafficking. The State has a compelling interest in protecting its children from the evils that follow both the use and trafficking of drugs. Another obvious compelling interest is the public safety concern posed by unlimited use, particularly by those driving motor vehicles. (Dave notes none of these should apply to the Temple case).

To prove that a ban on marijuana is the least restrictive means, the State must show that proposed alternatives for achieving the State's compelling interest are ineffective or impractical. (Dave notes probably immaterial to spiritual sex so back to Compelling Interest question).

Related to peyote - Although Hardesty argued to the trial court that he is entitled to assert a religious use defense identical to that afforded peyote users, there is an obvious difference between the two situations. Members of the Native American Church assert only the religious right to use peyote in limited sacramental rites. (Dave notes - and a specific federal exemption)

CONCLUSION - Although religious exercise may provide a valid defense under A.R.S. § 41-1493.01, in the circumstances of this case, Hardesty's defense fails as a matter of law.

Dave notes but the facts of this case are very different than spiritual sexuality and therefore is not relevant to the Temple case. The issue of spiritual sexuality remains untested in the AZ Courts as far as I can find.

AZ Court Of Appeals Comments (before appealed to Supreme Court)
Appellate Judge Sheldon Weisberg said the First Amendment encompasses two protections: the right to believe and the right to perform or abstain from certain acts for religious reasons. But the judge said though the first is absolute, the second is not. In particular, Weisberg said, the state is free to enact certain restrictions on conduct so long as they are “neutral laws of general applicability.” The state’s ban on marijuana, he said, fits that definition.

In discussing the constitutional issues Weisberg says:
“This statute does not provide any religious exemptions nor does it contemplate an exemption for the use of marijuana that would be consistent with public health and safety,” the judge wrote for the unanimous court. “By imposing a total ban, the Legislature has deemed that the use and possession of marijuana always pose a risk to public health and welfare.” Judge Weisberg said the courts are not in a position to second-guess that decision. (State may also use same argument for spiritual sexuality as in prostitution law so this has to be attacked)

Related to peyote: "the long and continuous use of peyote by a “discrete and well- defined group” makes it different from drug-use claims by other religions. In this case in particular, the judges said the tenets of this church make its potential use more widespread than just at discrete religious services. They noted the church is organized into individual “monasteries” with no dedicated house of worship, and each monastery is free to establish its own worship times"

A commenter said - "On the other hand, while the court said the state has the power to totally ban possession of the drug because of its known harmful nature it left the door open to considering future arguments about the religious freedom to use marijuana where a defendant could prove that marijuana is not as dangerous as the government claims." (spiritual sexuality or any sex not dangerous!)

LETTER that lays out possible defense arguments related to no Compelling Interest to charge with crime:
Highlights of letter posted on a Yahoo Group, by Robyn Lynn Thoren:

To Whom It May Concern:
This letter is in reference to Tracy Elise.

My name is Robyn Lynn Thoren. I am a Sex and Intimacy Coach with a practice serving couples and individuals in the SF Bay Area...

Tracy is part of a international movement of hundreds of professional therapists, coaches, educators, and clergy people who recognize a growing need for educational, therapeutic, and religious services that include and address sexuality as an essential aspect of our students', clients', and seekers' whole being health.

The education and ministry that Tracy and her temple provided fills a community need that traditional psychotherapy, school-based sex education, and mainstream religious practices all fail to effectively meet.

In the realms of therapeutic, educational, and religious services, few people are really doing a good job of addressing sexuality directly. If a person is lucky, his or her therapist might talk to them about sex, but chances are that the therapists' own discomfort with sex and the client's self-censoring will cause the conversation to be strained at best. In school, the sex education that most people receive centers around what not to do, with little to no emphasis on how to honor sexuality as a sacred gift to be wielded with compassion and care. And ask most people to talk to their typical priest or pastor about sex? Forget about it! In this absence of education and guidance, the sources of guidance that people are left with are pop culture, romance novels, and porn, none of which provide a sacred context for honoring oneself.

This is where a place like the Phoenix Goddess Temple and the School of One comes in. The ministry and education that Tracy Elise offered provided a space in which men and women were empowered to study and practice mindfulness with their sexual life force, and to teach those practices to others. The Phoenix Goddess Temple revived a centuries-old tradition (found in Indian, Tibetan, and some Native American cultures, as well as in some of the European and American practices of Wicca and Paganism) that honors sexuality as genesis of life and thus holds all aspects of the sexual life force (including birth and death) as sacred.

The cultural and religious biases of the mainstream United States are slanted toward a view of sexuality as something vaguely dirty and bad, at best something to be kept extremely private. Sex, the genesis of our being, continues to be hidden in public and exploited in private. Why? We are in great need of visible, publicly available sources of sexual wisdom in this culture. Spiritual-sexual teachings and practices like those offered by the Phoenix Goddess Temple are one such source of wisdom.

Direct experience is a potent teacher. One of the things most needed by people who don't know how to give or receive touch with awareness in their hearts and kindness in their hands is a direct experience in which they are touched with such awareness and kindness. People learn best through direct experience. Just as people do not effectively learn how to swim by reading about it in a book or by hearing someone talk about swimming, people do not effectively learn how to mindfully experience their sexual energy by reading about it. A new swimmer learns by getting in the water, and ideally has an experienced swimmer right there by her side to guide her.

Tracy Elise is a cutting edge pioneer, daring to tread far ahead of the culture. She is an advocate for the use of feminine wisdom, intuition, and sensual/sexual power as a force of healing for the greater good. For the duration of time that I've been acquainted with her, she has been unflagging in her commitment to revive the tradition of the goddess temples so that men and women can have safe, sacred spaces in which to learn, seek healing, take refuge, and enjoy community celebrations of life.

I urge the court to protect these religious temples and the valuable education and ministry they provide for the community. Anyone who does not benefit from such services is free to seek education and ministry elsewhere.
Respectfully,

Robyn Lynn Thoren
Fairfax, CA]]>
Short Summary
As far as I can tell spiritual sexuality/Tantra has never been tested in Arizona higher courts. We do have a AZ Supreme Court case related to marijuana as a sacrament that seems the closest test of AZ Free Exercise of Religion Law. Even though the case was lost on facts very different from the Temple, it lays out the legal tests that might be useful in a defense.

As a 2nd line of defense in the "Sign this Petition to Support Goddess Temple" I note Julian Piccillo includes as I have encouraged to also use a Lawrence vs Texas defense.

Julian says near the bottom of the page, "The Goddess Temple holds legal status as a church. They will likely mount a defense based on religious freedom, which seems appropriate as in essence this is the state attempting to legislate one morality over another morality. Fortunately, the separation of church and state – you know the basis of our country – makes this problematic. I hope we see this go to the supreme court where Lawrence v. Texas (2003) will certainly play the role many of us hoped to see it play years ago regarding the decriminalization of sex work."

For those that want lots of detail I share in depth the AZ Supreme Court case, and facts considered by an AZ Appeals Court .

Then I will quote parts of a post by Robyn Lynn Thoren, a Sex and Intimacy Coach who in my view has posted one of the best comments about the positive aspects of sexual healing, not just about religious aspects but also more broad aspects. In my opinion she includes good arguments to try to defeat "compelling interest" which is the key two words in a religious freedom battle in the Courts.

I am not a lawyer just a long time advocate - All defendants should seek competent legal advice.

Extensive Details
A.R.S. § 41-1493.01 Free exercise of religion protected but ... but...

The only relevant AZ Court decisions I can find relate to marijuana use as a sacrament. This is far different than "spiritual sexuality" etc as in Tantra and the Temple case. However it is the same overall issue of religious practice.

The pivotal case is Arizona Supreme Court CR-08-0244-PR of 9/8/2009 that affirms the AZ Court of Appeals 1 CA-CR 06-0966 which resulted from the appeal of Yavapai County Superior Court DANNY RAY HARDESTY, CR 820060181

Mr Hardesty lost his case at all levels to use marijuana as a sacrament under the AZ Free Exercise of religion law, but a close examination shows the main reason he lost does not apply and could possible open up this defense in the Temple or Tantric cases. After the negative Court conclusions below keep reading... I will develop the potential positive side.

In 2008 the Arizona Court of Appeals officially rejected any right to use marijuana as a sacrament. The Court ruled that the First Amendment protections of free exercise of religion did not entitle Arizona resident Daniel Hardesty to use marijuana as a “sacrament” of his church.

This was appealed to the AZ Supreme Court which in 2009 ruled that the state’s interest in banning marijuana outweighs the religious beliefs of an individual.

Summary of Legal issue:
In a unanimous opinion, the justices said state law permits the government to “burden the exercise of religion” only if it shows a compelling interest and that the restrictions are the “least restrictive means of furthering that interest.” And Daniel Hardesty conceded to the court that there is some governmental interest in the regulation of marijuana.

BUT keep reading....Justia US LAW pointed out:
But Chief Justice Rebecca White Berch said that, given the claim by Hardesty that his membership in the Church of Cognizance allows him to use marijuana anywhere and anytime — including driving — it is clear that the “least restrictive means” of the government to further its interests in protecting the public is an outright ban. The ruling, however, does not foreclose the possibility that the state’s high court might not conclude that some other religious use of marijuana is acceptable. Berch pointed out that courts have allowed users of peyote to use federal laws to shield them from prosecution against state drug laws. She said, though, there is “an obvious difference” between the situations.

“Members of the Native American Church assert only the religious right to use peyote in limited sacramental rights,” the chief justice wrote. “Hardesty asserts the right to use marijuana whenever he pleases, including while driving.”

Dave notes, under the Controlled Substance Act there is a specific exemption for only and only peyote in these religious ceremonies. The Peyote exception has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court but gain this by law exception ONLY applies specifically to peyote, nothing else.

Facts of this case:
Hardesty was driving at night and was stopped because one headlight was out, and the officer found 14 grams of marijuana. Hardesty argued he was protected by the he free exercise clauses of the Arizona and Federal Constitutions, Arizona's Free Exercise of Religion Act (“FERA”), the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (“RFRA”), and the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998.

It seems logical he lost claiming all use even in his car was religiously protected. He lost on these facts but what about if used as a religious ritual. Could this apply to "spiritual sexuality"?

RFRA which I have previously discussed in detail is footnoted in the Supreme Court case as invalid as to State law per City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U.S. 507, 117 S.Ct. 2157, so that defense is not relevant.

International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 seems even less relevant. It promote religious freedom as a foreign policy of the United States, and to advocate on the behalf of the individuals viewed as persecuted in foreign countries on the account of religion. The Temple is not related to any foreign persecution- nor was Hardesty.

Highlights of AZ Supreme Court Decision
A party who raises a religious exercise claim or defense must establish three elements: (1) that an action or refusal to act is motivated by a religious belief, (2) that the religious belief is sincerely held, and (3) that the governmental action substantially burdens the exercise of religious beliefs. (Dave notes Temple case should meet all of these as the State admitted Hardesty met so the key is the next part).

Once the claimant establishes a religious belief that is sincerely held and substantially burdened, the burden shifts to the state to demonstrate that its action furthers a “compelling governmental interest” and is “the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.” (Dave notes this is the KEY I keep bringing up as what is needed to defend)

Hardesty contended this is a fact issue that would be decided by a jury. The Supreme Court disagreed saying that this issue is a question of law, not fact and therefore to be determined by the Court (judge not jury).

In Yoder, the Court acknowledged that religiously based conduct is “often subject to regulation by the States in the exercise of their undoubted power to promote the health, safety, and general welfare, or the Federal Government in the exercise of its delegated powers.” 406 U.S. at 220, 92 S.Ct. 1526. (Dave notes the key issue is health, safety and general welfare - very broad, health and safety should not be an issue at the Temple.)

Regarding Compelling interest the Court ruled based on many other cases that courts consistently find this is a compelling interest in many marijuana cases BECAUSE it poses a real threat to individual health and social welfare. (Dave notes spiritual sex may produce orgasm which is beneficial medically to individual heath - I would testify strongly to this. So the issue becomes "Social Welfare" whatever that is and may be a key point relate do the Temple case.

The State asserted at least two compelling interests: preventing the deleterious health effects associated with marijuana use and combating the danger to public safety and welfare that result from trafficking in marijuana. The State presented several cases in which courts found compelling the government's interest in regulating marijuana and combating the crimes associated with drug use and drug trafficking. The State has a compelling interest in protecting its children from the evils that follow both the use and trafficking of drugs. Another obvious compelling interest is the public safety concern posed by unlimited use, particularly by those driving motor vehicles. (Dave notes none of these should apply to the Temple case).

To prove that a ban on marijuana is the least restrictive means, the State must show that proposed alternatives for achieving the State's compelling interest are ineffective or impractical. (Dave notes probably immaterial to spiritual sex so back to Compelling Interest question).

Related to peyote - Although Hardesty argued to the trial court that he is entitled to assert a religious use defense identical to that afforded peyote users, there is an obvious difference between the two situations. Members of the Native American Church assert only the religious right to use peyote in limited sacramental rites. (Dave notes - and a specific federal exemption)

CONCLUSION - Although religious exercise may provide a valid defense under A.R.S. § 41-1493.01, in the circumstances of this case, Hardesty's defense fails as a matter of law.

Dave notes but the facts of this case are very different than spiritual sexuality and therefore is not relevant to the Temple case. The issue of spiritual sexuality remains untested in the AZ Courts as far as I can find.

AZ Court Of Appeals Comments (before appealed to Supreme Court)
Appellate Judge Sheldon Weisberg said the First Amendment encompasses two protections: the right to believe and the right to perform or abstain from certain acts for religious reasons. But the judge said though the first is absolute, the second is not. In particular, Weisberg said, the state is free to enact certain restrictions on conduct so long as they are “neutral laws of general applicability.” The state’s ban on marijuana, he said, fits that definition.

In discussing the constitutional issues Weisberg says:
“This statute does not provide any religious exemptions nor does it contemplate an exemption for the use of marijuana that would be consistent with public health and safety,” the judge wrote for the unanimous court. “By imposing a total ban, the Legislature has deemed that the use and possession of marijuana always pose a risk to public health and welfare.” Judge Weisberg said the courts are not in a position to second-guess that decision. (State may also use same argument for spiritual sexuality as in prostitution law so this has to be attacked)

Related to peyote: "the long and continuous use of peyote by a “discrete and well- defined group” makes it different from drug-use claims by other religions. In this case in particular, the judges said the tenets of this church make its potential use more widespread than just at discrete religious services. They noted the church is organized into individual “monasteries” with no dedicated house of worship, and each monastery is free to establish its own worship times"

A commenter said - "On the other hand, while the court said the state has the power to totally ban possession of the drug because of its known harmful nature it left the door open to considering future arguments about the religious freedom to use marijuana where a defendant could prove that marijuana is not as dangerous as the government claims." (spiritual sexuality or any sex not dangerous!)

LETTER that lays out possible defense arguments related to no Compelling Interest to charge with crime:
Highlights of letter posted on a Yahoo Group, by Robyn Lynn Thoren:

To Whom It May Concern:
This letter is in reference to Tracy Elise.

My name is Robyn Lynn Thoren. I am a Sex and Intimacy Coach with a practice serving couples and individuals in the SF Bay Area...

Tracy is part of a international movement of hundreds of professional therapists, coaches, educators, and clergy people who recognize a growing need for educational, therapeutic, and religious services that include and address sexuality as an essential aspect of our students', clients', and seekers' whole being health.

The education and ministry that Tracy and her temple provided fills a community need that traditional psychotherapy, school-based sex education, and mainstream religious practices all fail to effectively meet.

In the realms of therapeutic, educational, and religious services, few people are really doing a good job of addressing sexuality directly. If a person is lucky, his or her therapist might talk to them about sex, but chances are that the therapists' own discomfort with sex and the client's self-censoring will cause the conversation to be strained at best. In school, the sex education that most people receive centers around what not to do, with little to no emphasis on how to honor sexuality as a sacred gift to be wielded with compassion and care. And ask most people to talk to their typical priest or pastor about sex? Forget about it! In this absence of education and guidance, the sources of guidance that people are left with are pop culture, romance novels, and porn, none of which provide a sacred context for honoring oneself.

This is where a place like the Phoenix Goddess Temple and the School of One comes in. The ministry and education that Tracy Elise offered provided a space in which men and women were empowered to study and practice mindfulness with their sexual life force, and to teach those practices to others. The Phoenix Goddess Temple revived a centuries-old tradition (found in Indian, Tibetan, and some Native American cultures, as well as in some of the European and American practices of Wicca and Paganism) that honors sexuality as genesis of life and thus holds all aspects of the sexual life force (including birth and death) as sacred.

The cultural and religious biases of the mainstream United States are slanted toward a view of sexuality as something vaguely dirty and bad, at best something to be kept extremely private. Sex, the genesis of our being, continues to be hidden in public and exploited in private. Why? We are in great need of visible, publicly available sources of sexual wisdom in this culture. Spiritual-sexual teachings and practices like those offered by the Phoenix Goddess Temple are one such source of wisdom.

Direct experience is a potent teacher. One of the things most needed by people who don't know how to give or receive touch with awareness in their hearts and kindness in their hands is a direct experience in which they are touched with such awareness and kindness. People learn best through direct experience. Just as people do not effectively learn how to swim by reading about it in a book or by hearing someone talk about swimming, people do not effectively learn how to mindfully experience their sexual energy by reading about it. A new swimmer learns by getting in the water, and ideally has an experienced swimmer right there by her side to guide her.

Tracy Elise is a cutting edge pioneer, daring to tread far ahead of the culture. She is an advocate for the use of feminine wisdom, intuition, and sensual/sexual power as a force of healing for the greater good. For the duration of time that I've been acquainted with her, she has been unflagging in her commitment to revive the tradition of the goddess temples so that men and women can have safe, sacred spaces in which to learn, seek healing, take refuge, and enjoy community celebrations of life.

I urge the court to protect these religious temples and the valuable education and ministry they provide for the community. Anyone who does not benefit from such services is free to seek education and ministry elsewhere.
Respectfully,

Robyn Lynn Thoren
Fairfax, CA]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=658 Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:08:17 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=658
In the past one could often plea bargain a prostitution charge to escorting without a license. Or it was just a "ticket" with no arrest and booking. There appears to be new tactic of police and a updated Escort licensing law.

It seems that Phoenix PD is now chasing both outcall and incall ads and booking into jail for the license violations.

On Friday 9/23 an escort was arrested at her incall (home). She went from Phoenix home to some jail in Buckeye? on 99th Ave, then to a jail downtown and then to 4th Ave jail for mug shots and booking. She read from her charge ticket to me it was escorting without a license and it showed section 10.92 Phoenix code violation. The police also told her that her ad did not include her Phoenix escort license number in the ad as required!

She has never been arrested before and is a long-time quite well known escort/massage person. She went before a judge the next day and was released from jail on Saturday 9/23/11

I looked up section 10.92:
Sec. 10-92. Escorts, unlawful to work as.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to work or perform services as an escort within the City of Phoenix unless that person possesses a valid identification card issued pursuant to Section 10-89.1 in the name of the escort and the escort bureau.

Sec 10-94 requires all ads to include the escort bureau license number.

The latest licensing law has different provisions for "service" escorts and bureaus and "sexually orientated" escorts and bureaus.

I will have an extensive review in the next Private Lists tonight.

Also many are shocked by the weird Church "Hooker fair" and comments being made about is it legal to bribe escorts to go to the Bethany Home Road Church vs being arrested.

The Phoenix Temple felony 2nd Indictments is also a mess now 39 indicted and those arrested on the initial indictment are being again arrested with double bail on the 2nd indictment. Some self-surrenders via one lawyer and a friendly judge are getting the 2nd arrest warrants squashed when appear for prelim on 1st. But many are also being arrested again at their homes in front of children etc. 2nd indictment also charges as Criminal Syndicate (like for mafia) not just Enterprise. Founder bail now $1 million, which is higher than the Friday murder, armed robbery, multiple sexual assaults on children person. His bail only $575,000.]]>
In the past one could often plea bargain a prostitution charge to escorting without a license. Or it was just a "ticket" with no arrest and booking. There appears to be new tactic of police and a updated Escort licensing law.

It seems that Phoenix PD is now chasing both outcall and incall ads and booking into jail for the license violations.

On Friday 9/23 an escort was arrested at her incall (home). She went from Phoenix home to some jail in Buckeye? on 99th Ave, then to a jail downtown and then to 4th Ave jail for mug shots and booking. She read from her charge ticket to me it was escorting without a license and it showed section 10.92 Phoenix code violation. The police also told her that her ad did not include her Phoenix escort license number in the ad as required!

She has never been arrested before and is a long-time quite well known escort/massage person. She went before a judge the next day and was released from jail on Saturday 9/23/11

I looked up section 10.92:
Sec. 10-92. Escorts, unlawful to work as.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to work or perform services as an escort within the City of Phoenix unless that person possesses a valid identification card issued pursuant to Section 10-89.1 in the name of the escort and the escort bureau.

Sec 10-94 requires all ads to include the escort bureau license number.

The latest licensing law has different provisions for "service" escorts and bureaus and "sexually orientated" escorts and bureaus.

I will have an extensive review in the next Private Lists tonight.

Also many are shocked by the weird Church "Hooker fair" and comments being made about is it legal to bribe escorts to go to the Bethany Home Road Church vs being arrested.

The Phoenix Temple felony 2nd Indictments is also a mess now 39 indicted and those arrested on the initial indictment are being again arrested with double bail on the 2nd indictment. Some self-surrenders via one lawyer and a friendly judge are getting the 2nd arrest warrants squashed when appear for prelim on 1st. But many are also being arrested again at their homes in front of children etc. 2nd indictment also charges as Criminal Syndicate (like for mafia) not just Enterprise. Founder bail now $1 million, which is higher than the Friday murder, armed robbery, multiple sexual assaults on children person. His bail only $575,000.]]> http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=657 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:22:17 +0000 http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=657
Will all do respect, I think for 99% of viewers her singing to her children and how people don't get it - her Sexuality and spirituality are combined comment...made her look very bad and certainly didn't help legally.

And this gives media another chance to talk about it being a brothel, prostitution the whole media reports again about it being prostitution.. sigh...hiding behind spirituality which is the focus of the news report of her jailhouse interview.

She obviously is very passionate in her beliefs but very naive about the law. A lecture about religious history has nothing to do with the legal issues.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_pho...llegations]]>
Will all do respect, I think for 99% of viewers her singing to her children and how people don't get it - her Sexuality and spirituality are combined comment...made her look very bad and certainly didn't help legally.

And this gives media another chance to talk about it being a brothel, prostitution the whole media reports again about it being prostitution.. sigh...hiding behind spirituality which is the focus of the news report of her jailhouse interview.

She obviously is very passionate in her beliefs but very naive about the law. A lecture about religious history has nothing to do with the legal issues.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_pho...llegations]]>