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TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
02-28-2009, 12:14 AM
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TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
No one seriously believes this.

As a condition of his original probation I've been told he was to have nothing to do with TER or any website - supposedly he was getting weapons or drugs on line.

So this is just a rouge for his PO officer or to try and pretend he has nothing to do with TER. His wife really runs it anyway from what I understand.

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03-02-2009, 01:44 AM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
I have a fair question in which I believe you have the answer too.

Is it fair to say that DE is a NARC and LE has control of TER since he was released on such a small bail considering the charges and the fact that CA didnt arrest him when he was released when it was clear he had violated many conditions of his probation?

It seems to me that LE is setting up TER to be used as a way to arrest many providers and clients. It seems that many people cant see this as its so clear to me. It is also clear that TER has been used in many of the past high profile agency arrest.

I also find it strange that the leaving of DE from TER was announced on his personal screen name "staff" and not a new screen name which leads me to believe he made the statement himself and is still in charge of TER.

I posted a message supporting him on his leagl battles to see what would happen and it was never posted as it seems many people do not know.

I am also shocked that this hasnt made national news and only local Phoenix news and it has died down which makes it so clear to me That LE has control over TER in some sort of NARC deal with DE.

Am I also missing something in seeing lesions on the FACE of DE in his mug shot photos that have not been there in the past which leads me to believe he has AIDS? This could explain why he is so bitter toward so many providers and has abused them in the past.

I just see so many people about to be ruined because this whole situation has been kept so quiet.

There is no way this man is out of jail for what he has been accused of unless he is A NARC!

Please correct me If I am wrong...
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03-02-2009, 02:14 AM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
No, I am totally convinced Elms is not working for PD based on long discussions with visits by Phoenix Major Crimes officers including the "hit man" and Detective Bill. The LA Attorney I have been working with has also talked to Detective Bill.

I will say quietly that Phoenix PD would LIKE to get TER shut down and taken under RICO, Det Bell mentioned to me the desire to shut it down in phone discussion. TER/Elms may have also crossed the criminal solicitation line with their policies of requiring juicy reviews and sex acts for highest scores, as well of course of his own actions.

It is well known that LE in many cities monitors TER and in the DD case has an evidence book full of TER Reviews. But I do not believe LE is after providers at least not as part of the Elms arrest.

Although there ARE reports that local PD has set up stings on TER in other cities. And yes if PD took it over it could set up stings. But my understanding was in the TBD case in FL, either the Feds or local PD had taken some control of TBD but no stings occurred. We do not absolutely know this however.

TER is on delayed posting even if they say its not. Anything negative about Elms or TER is rejected as it has been for many years. Early in the Elms mess there were reports of "do you know about" type posts going up briefly but then they vanish.

As I report tonight on the Private e-mail List, the New York Times has contacted me and is on the story. Especially Phoenix PD wanting to get ironically escort victims of his rape to come forward.

I don't think vice and major crimes unit is lieing to me about how upset they and the DA's office was about the low bail. But the 3am arrest before a judge with no background makes sense.

Why would they be trying to hard to get escorts to come forward to have him charged with rape if he is working with LE? That does not make sense.

I was wondering about the lesions also - not seen in the NY Times photo. But being AIDs I believe is wild speculation at this point.

I certainly haven't kept it quiet !!!!

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03-02-2009, 02:24 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2009 02:35 AM by davephx.)
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
Attached are larger mug shot photos of Elms which more clearly show the lesions if anyone can tell if they might be anything of significance. They may be just birth marks but again didn't see them in the NY Times photo. Although he could have had make up on covering them.

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03-02-2009, 05:38 PM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2009 07:37 PM by Jenna Purr.)
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
there was a girl busted 2 days after someone posted on ter that she had sores all over her and looked like she was on meth.

i think it's just common sense that they would monitor the industry through ter since it is without a doubt the most widely used. they dont need dave elms to cooperate to do this... i monitor the industry through ter with no search warrant.

what information does dave elms have that any one of us dont have access to ? the payment processing is done through cc bill and i doubt that even dave elms could call cc bill and ask them what is anabangbang's credit card information and get it.

ip addresses arent really that reliable with aol, vpns, public computers and proxy servers being used

outside of 20 bux, no cooperation is needed.
the cards are all laid out face up from the start

if anyone is cooperating, it's ter's members by posting the details of their crime riddled fantasies. dave elms isnt telling anyone who blew who, where and for how much, he doesnt have to.

the lesions on his face are gross but i doubt he has aids... if he does, he'll surely be dead soon since jails are commonly known to be bacterial cesspools and we all know how "concerned" sheriff joe is about the conditions of his. i think most likely they are drug related of some kind.

but i think very important to notice that an a**hole's life is full of sh*t
regardless of how much money you have. I will never understand why that concept is so difficult for some people to grasp, you'd think it would be obvious.

---- edit, i forgot i wanted to address the original post

ter's software program pretty much runs itself and doesnt really need any one person to keep it going... as long as members are posting reviews and escorts are posting ads, ter will survive regardless of whether or not dave elms goes to jail.

ter has a community of over 350k ... whether dave elms is there or not, there's still going to be 350k people to feed the well oiled ter machine... when he was in jail for over 30 days this summer, i didnt notice a significant difference in the site's ability to function, and in fact i was banned during this time which was previously a function that only dave elms could do so obviously any idiot can run the site.

also i know of at least 6 girls right off the top of my head who have been banned from ter because they were caught self - reviewing.... or the review was submitted by their boyfriend without them knowing or the review was posted by the client using the escorts computer or whatever whatever tale of innocence they claim... all of them got back on ter... and the only thing dave elms demanded of them was that they be honest and conduct themselves responsibly in the future.

they know who they are but they wont come forward and post because they dont want anyone knowing they were caught cheating but through some wierd mixup they had mistakenly emailed me their apology letters when terd ran the amnesty program allowing them to get back on ter.

and no i'm not interested in naming them for anyone but i think it's truly crappy that they dont show any loyalty.

the phoenix pd said he didnt seem dangerous.

i know good people who are fiercely loyal to him

something does not compute.

i just dont see an evil person.
i see a weak one... because the drug addiction surely rules him.
now smoking crack affects wiener performance so that would explain why he has a penchant for the trannies but i'm confused why he would demand sex from all these women... i've heard the stories, but not from anyone who wasnt a legend in her own mind and certainly nobody i woud deem credible .

i'm sure he's done some people wrong, who among us havsnt ?
but i dont think he's the monster in this industy.
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03-02-2009, 07:12 PM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
From Dave's E-mail

Dave: As a medical professional, I am thinking that the "sores" on Dave Elms' face look like fairly standard scabs that come from itching or picking at those little facial blemishes that we all get. Whether they are related to drug use is open for discussion, but sitting in a jail cell is often enough to make a person "pick" at their face due to boredom, especially if they habitually use methamphetamine or cocaine. These stimulants tend to increase the frequency of needing to "pick" at the skin as the stimulants leave the bloodstream.
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03-06-2009, 08:40 AM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
I think anyone who does not plan for the worst will soon find the worst planned for them. So true for people that are in this subculture.

The what of DE and TER is that they are bad and have been bad since the boardroom left TBD and went to TER. But they only accelerated the natural evil that DE and TER are.

The why of TER and DE is unimportant till you get past the what.
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03-06-2009, 09:01 AM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
Anyone who does not plan for the worst in this sub culture will soon find the worst planned for them.

TER has sucked since the boardroom left TBD and went to TER. But they only accelerated the evil that is TER and DE.

The what of this is stay away from the bad guys. TER, boardroom any girls associated with the boardroom. I would include in this stay away list T Man just because his business practice suck and the boardroom seems to have flocked to him.

The why of this is more than I really understand. But I blame the so called Phoenix Community for the boardroom. This includes Rose (yes I know), Jack, Modprod. Danny, Paul (all the DD staff) and all the rest of that crew.

As much as the boardroom curses Dave of Phoenix I think he is and has been overly tolerant of them. But then it’s hard not to be when they are so full of deceit.
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03-07-2009, 12:36 PM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
(02-28-2009 12:14 AM)davephx Wrote:  TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
No one seriously believes this.

As a condition of his original probation I've been told he was to have nothing to do with TER or any website - supposedly he was getting weapons or drugs on line.

So this is just a rouge for his PO officer or to try and pretend he has nothing to do with TER. His wife really runs it anyway from what I understand.

Hi Dave, this is Luci. I contacted you last month via email and you kindly responded to some of my questions. What a concidence the same person we were speaking of ends up being arrested a few days after. I'm not surprised nor do I believe the statement about TER cutting him lose. Isn't he and his wife the sole owners?

I'm still reading from the links you supplied on your main site.

I'll be back.
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03-23-2009, 08:22 PM
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The New Regime
i dont care who it is... whether it is girl next door, lady in red, fuzzy phallus, the feds, jesus christ or dave elms & his freaky twin in a freaking dress, i can tell you for a FACT that there will be NO abuse or extortion of escorts by the new Ter Admin.

They are in fact, at this very minute re-instating all escorts who were wrongly banned by the old regime..they are investigating and attempting to fix any and all past injustices..

they are even bringing back phone terrorist and web terrorist

--- please note

They are NOT re-instating escorts who were caught committing review fraud (yeah that means you [insert b-word] and you know who you are so dont even try it cuz i'm on that like its fried chicken)

i received an email yesterday morning from fuzzy phallus, a ter moderator, asking if i'd like to come back to ter.... he said all i had to do was write to staff and that they'd welcome me back.... and they did.

no sex was extorted
no money was extorted

im back and im not even moderated
OMFG

please give them a chance, whoever they are and who really cares who they are as long as they run ter they way it should be....

They cant change what's been done in the past but they can make changes for the future and they are obviously trying to do that.

no this post wasnt extorted either
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03-23-2009, 08:25 PM
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The New Regime
i dont care who it is... whether it is girl next door, lady in red, fuzzy phallus, the feds, jesus christ or dave elms & his freaky twin in a freaking dress, i can tell you for a FACT that there will be NO abuse or extortion of escorts by the new Ter Admin.

They are in fact, at this very minute re-instating all escorts who were wrongly banned by the old regime..they are investigating and attempting to fix any and all past injustices..

they are even bringing back phone terrorist and web terrorist

--- please note

They are NOT re-instating escorts who were caught committing review fraud (yeah that means you [insert b-word] and you know who you are so dont even try it cuz i'm on that like its fried chicken)

i received an email yesterday morning from fuzzy phallus, a ter moderator, asking if i'd like to come back to ter.... he said all i had to do was write to staff and that they'd welcome me back.... and they did.

no sex was extorted
no money was extorted

im back and im not even moderated
OMFG

please give them a chance, whoever they are and who really cares who they are as long as they run ter they way it should be....

They cant change what's been done in the past but they can make changes for the future and they are obviously trying to do that.

and no this post wasnt extorted from me either.... i wasnt asked to do anything. ... they didnt even ask me to behave myself LOL.
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03-23-2009, 09:25 PM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
I also have some reason to believe what Ana is saying is true.

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03-25-2009, 09:27 AM (This post was last modified: 03-25-2009 09:50 AM by Jenna Purr.)
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wrongfully banned does not mean blackmailed
it has been commented to me that if providers were wrongfully banned then that means that dave elms must have been guilty of blackmailing these providers.

that is not necesssarily true.

i was wrongfully banned... i was never blackmailed .... i was banned while dave elms was gone and i was always assured that they thought it was a mistake and that i would be re-instated.

it took longer then i expected but i believe that is because the new admin only recently came into full power over the website. i believe the admin of ter has been in a state of llimbo since this past summer with dave elms being technically in control but absent. this is just speculation on my part as i'm not really privy to the inner workings of the ter admin but i do know several people who were close to dave elms and they all said the said thing... he just wasnt around.

the communication i have had with the new ter admin has a nurturing tone that i believe can only be conveyed by a woman.

an example of another escort who was wrongfully banned but not blackmailed:

i know of another escort who was "wrongfully banned" because she got mouthy to dave elms in an email regarding a bad review she wanted removed from her profile.... she was not blackmailed by him either.

keep in mind the allegations against dave elms are one-sided. he has never told his side of the story. i'm sure he could but he has always chosen to remain quiet... that doesnt mean he's guilty.

this industry has tried and convicted him without ever giving him a chance to defend himself and that is just wrong whether he's guilty or not.

i really dont care how many escorts have collaborated stories.... the boardroom did a pretty damn good job of demonizing me when i never did a thing to them except expose their existence. there are supposedly "collaborated stories" that i outed a hobbyist... if revealing the very common first name of a hobbyist is the definition of "outing", then yes i was guilty and i'm even more evil because i really dont even feel any remorse. but before i go to hell,

i'm not saying dave elms is innocent but i'm' just saying, as another victim of "collaborating stories", keep an open mind and dont convict someone without giving them a trial first.
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03-25-2009, 08:38 PM (This post was last modified: 03-25-2009 08:40 PM by davephx.)
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
TER Comments - From well known companion:

Dave, I'm sorry but it really does not matter who is running TER SCUM BOARD. it is still full of men demanding nasty, unsafe practices, and who use the "power" of their "status" to demand these things of women. and silly stupid women who will give in to those demands.

and then the whole issue of those graphic reviews....smarmy, sleazy, degrading, disgusting. I hate that whole system. some things should remain private.
sorry, I just had to say it.

Dave replies
Thanks for your comments.

If the women give in to the demands it is their fault not a boards.

I of course agree detailed juicy reviews are not needed. But most guys want the slime and are willing to pay for it (TER membership or submit juicy reviews)

On the other hand I would never see a companion without reading reviews on her. Not for sexual details but her personality, attractiveness, and any hint for the kinds of more intimacy things I am looking for rather than specific sex acts. Some guys have learned to write helpful less detailed reviews - and in the U.S. its almost an admission of illegal sex. So for me the right kind of reviews are very important.

I assume you saw my comments:
I am hopeful some of their policies may change that encourage false juiced up reviews and having to do include details of illegal sex acts, not to mention very unsafe and illegal sex acts details required for their highest ratings

In the early days all my reviews which are very welcomed on Canadian boards were rejected by TER because I didn't go into sexy details. My interest is more intimacy than raw sex. I only go to Canada because I enjoy certain things that are simply not available in the U.S. in addition to not wanting the legal risks and seeking affordable costs.

My type of reviews are valued by many based on years of positive comments on boards where I have posted them for many years and e-mails, But they were not juicy enough to be accepted by TER. That was long before the blackmail started and back when TBD was having its legal problems. Since than I have been banned of course by TER since I have let the truth from so many escorts be made public on their bad experiences both due to the review policies and worse by the abuse of David Elms.

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03-26-2009, 02:02 AM
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RE: TER Announcement that David Elms is no longer involved.
i'm not crazy about having alot of intimate details about me out there for public viewing but this is after all, the escort industry and if i wanted to be rated on my typing skills, i'd get a job as a legal secretary.

there is always the option of not participating if their policies bothers you that much.
ter is not forcing membership upon anyone.
i'm not in agreement with alot of their policies either but i fgure i can either get over it or get out.

i certainly dont give a hoot what ter or anyoe else thinks about my business policies and i'll assume nobody gives a hoot what i think of theirs. ter is not the freaky Equal Rights Administration of the escort industry. They arent required to be fair and they dont need 2/3 of the industry's appoval before one of their polcies get passed.
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03-27-2009, 12:09 AM
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Confirmed that Dave Elms Did Demand That An Escort Fly to LA
chat conversation that i had with a girl tonte regarding her pending request for re-instatement...

please note---- i have edited (in italics) the names in the conversation to protect the parties involved .... and i've separated where her comments start and end... and where mine start and end for easier reading..... nothng else has been edited in or out.


[23:16] ana_bang_bang: if there was no review fraud, you'll get back on
[23:16] ana_bang_bang: thats all she cares about

[23:16] escort: When I emailed Dave he said well Trouble Maker Hobbyist Friend Of Dave Elms says you are someone I suspect you to be. Send me a photo so I can see who I have been talking to for 3 yrs
[23:17] escort: So I did and he told me I had to fly to LA if I want my reviews back and sent me airline info
[23:17] escort: I never ever ever never self reviewed

[23:17] ana_bang_bang: so he wanted you to go to la to prove your identity ... not for sex.

[23:17] escort: I never asked any TER member to write a review
[23:17] escort: Yes I have email too
[23:18] escort: And I had my accident my fall and he said you can afford the ticket you probably sepnd that much on coffee
[23:18] escort: I said no I was injured . I have special needs please let me back on

[23:18] ana_bang_bang: he was not blackmailing you for sex.... he just wanted you to prove you werent who he suspected you were
[23:18] ana_bang_bang: that is a reasonable request

[23:18] escort: He said oh.My bad .Dont email till you hav a flight number
[23:18] escort: I was not able to fly out

[23:18] ana_bang_bang: i understand that

[23:18] escort: I took aba dfall broke my thumb and knee I was hurt all over
[23:19] escort: Tok a yr to heal

[23:19] ana_bang_bang: but there is a huge difference between him wanting to confirm your identity and him demanding sex from you

[23:19] escort: I tried again he said ...well... you harass my family I was like WTF!!>!>!
[23:19] escort: Plus I read about the gun at that time I was afraid

[23:19] ana_bang_bang: because he was mistaken... he thought you were someone else

[23:20] escort: Apparantly used my name I once used to schedule appts
[23:19] escort: Yeah someone I haveno clue harassed his family and posted something on A Website
[23:21] escort: Then he accused me of posting crap on boards.One made no sense names I never heard of
[23:21] escort: More I asked what he ment and to show me the more he ignored me so I did my own investigation
[23:21] escort: And I found something questionable
[23:21] escort: But it wasn't me

[23:27] ana_bang_bang: who did he think you were ?
[23:27] ana_bang_bang: who was harrassing him ?

[23:28] escort: He thought whoever put somethiong up on rip off report was me . I showed it to him I said is this what you are accusing me of??? He wont answer me
[23:29] escort: SO I said ok Dave. You think this is me. Check IP I have had the same computer since 2002
[23:30] escort: It was on A Website written by a guy named Whoever and I think WhoCares which was my booking name. Anyone can post on there but my IP has been the same fo ryrs

[23:31] ana_bang_bang: if Trouble Maker Hobbyist Friend Of Dave Elms told dave that you were the same girl as the girl who was harrassing his family dont you think it is reasonable that dave elms wanted you to fly to la to prove that you were in fact, a different girl ?

[23:32] escort: I do
[23:32] escort: And I was willing
[23:32] escort: And Trouble Maker Hobbyist Friend Of Dave Elms knew me we met three times
[23:33] escort: So the photo I sent was verifiable . Unblurred for Trouble Maker Hobbyist Friend Of Dave Elms to see. Then Trouble Maker Hobbyist Friend Of Dave Elms told Dave he made a mistake after he wrote to me after meeting me helping me go back on TER he went huts with me


this is from a girl who has very vocally for years told one of the "collaborating stories" that terd wouldnt let her back on ter unless she flew to LA. ... and she has the email to prove it
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