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TER David Elms Hired Hit Man to get Dave in Phoenix (me)
02-15-2009, 07:35 PM (This post was last modified: 02-16-2009 11:42 PM by davephx.)
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TER David Elms Hired Hit Man to get Dave in Phoenix (me)
This replaces previous thread now with more full info which I am making very public:

TER David Elms Hired Hit Man to get Dave in Phoenix (me)

I have reported on his terrible abuse before but didn't want to have to do a story about myself! I guess I am lucky he wasn't successful and obviously its unnerving. My reports on his abuse of women are at http://www.sexwork.com/terbad.html

I was contacted by a Phoenix PD Major Offenders Unit officer Sunday 2/15/09 I was told he hired two hit men who were under cover cops to go after myself and at least one other person. The officer wanted to orally confirm I would sign a criminal complaint and his team will visit me in the next few days.

I called Phoenix PD to verify he was a real officer and not a prank.

I have also now verified the following:

David Elms now confirmed in 4th Ave Jail
Booking Number P512718
BUT ONLY held on $150,000 bail - that is a huge concern especially for me since I was one of his targets

Charges all on charge number PF2009111881001 are:
1. Conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree
2. Conspiracy to commit aggregated assault with a deadly weapon
3 Conspiracy to commit sales of narcotics
4. Possession of a deadly weapon for illegal purposes
5. Possession of drug paraphernalia

He is already on probation for felony drugs and weapons charges in CA and was not to leave state. We are trying to be sure Calf parole officer is contacted - I am in contact with the well known LA Attorney who filed the Federal charges against him and is trying to have gals come forward with rape charges.

In the prior arrest he was caught using a weapon to force sex on a gal but she refused to press criminal charges.

My huge concern is the low bail of $150,000 (only need 10% with a bail bondsmen). Hopefully when they confirm he already is a felon in violation of probation not even suppose to leave the State of California bond might be raised.

He is "housed" at the 4th Avenue Jail
Floor 0
Unit 5A
Pod N

His first hearing is 2/23/09

His wife posted on the TER moderators board that he was set up????
We have some other speculation on this but am only trying to report the confirmed facts.

I wonder if out of state charges can be included for the "3-strikes" penalty in California to put him away for good? I wonder if a probation violation with felony charges for a felony add to more felony's in CA.

He needs to be kept in jail for a long time. Then more civil suits may follow - perhaps a gal could wind up with the TER board?

I am making this public to show again what this person is capable of and warn about him. Yet TER remains a very popular board despite its owners felonies and abuse of women for years.

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02-15-2009, 08:30 PM
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The leaders of Desert Diva's had $1million bail for providing men pleasure but David of TER for many felonies including to commit murder is at $150,000!

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02-16-2009, 12:06 AM
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Correction the booking number is P512718 not PS I read my writing wrong.

More info shared more privately on tonight's e-mail Private List.

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02-16-2009, 10:06 AM (This post was last modified: 02-16-2009 11:17 AM by davephx.)
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Mug shot is now on at
http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Mugshot

It is under the homicide section.
Just as I said yesterday:
In Custody For:
001 FELONY COUNT OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER 1ST DEG-PREMEDITATED
001 FELONY COUNT OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT AGG ASLT-DEADLY WPN/DANG INST
001 FELONY COUNT OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT NARCOTIC DRUG-POSSESS FOR SALE
001 FELONY COUNT OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT POSS WPN BY PROHIB PERSON
001 FELONY COUNT OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA VIOLATION

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02-16-2009, 10:30 AM
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Also more info shared on last nights private List trying to keep more private since he could find this site and some things want to keep more private.

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02-16-2009, 01:13 PM
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I had a very good discussion with the Phoenix PD officer from the major offenders unit that first contacted me

They were appalled that the judge set his bail at only $150,000 when they argued for much more on arraignment. He was booked about 4am Sunday after being arrested just after midnight.

The have him “roped“ which means some provision under the AZ repeat offender Act and the Country Attorney is trying to get higher bail but this is very hard to do after the judge has set bail at $150,000. Since this is a holiday, yes he could get bailed out today before the Country Attorney´s office is back open Tues trying to get the judges bail order raised.

He also tried to assure me that if they thought either myself or the other person was in danger if he gets out (or not) they would provide us police protection whatever that involves. They are doing some protection messages I can´t talk about.

The good news is that the his conspiracy to commit first degree murder is a Class 2 felony which is the 2nd highest felony - only 1 charge less than murder. It is the same level as bank robbery, rape etc. Conspiracy charges are always just one class lower than the crime he conspired to commit per the police officer in charge.

AZ wants him to stay in AZ and he will be indicted the officer says. It appears these AZ felonies are much greater in seriousness than his drugs and weapons felonies in CA. So may be a fight between AZ and CA who gets him first.

BUT he may get out and if so will fairy quickly have an arrest warrant issued when indicted (I do not know how long that takes).

The police and County Attorney are fighting for high or no bond, but its the judge that set bond at $150,000

The officer talked with me for a long time and was very open, and wants me to call at any time with any concerns. His partner is working with the other victim.

He also said he has seen my websites reports etc., and was very impressed - Getting info out is ok and seemed to agree with the idea the more that know the safer we probably are. He said he appreciated that I was obviously so on top of things and “sharp“ - I guess compared to some other types he often deals with Smile´

He went out of the way to assure me I should not worry and they are doing things to protect and will do more if needed.

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02-16-2009, 07:37 PM
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After talking to many folks almost all think I am safer being public about it. But contrary to my usual long articles I simply put the mugshot from Sheriff Joe´s site up that list the charges, with this very short (especially for me) note on http://www.sexwork.com/terbad.html:

2/16/2009 David Elms of TER Arrested in Phoenix
I am not going to go into details at this time since I am working with the Phoenix Police major crimes unit and with police protection considerations.

On the other hand many think I should go public since the more folks that know I am a target of his, the safer I probably am. This image says all that needs to be said. If you want to verify it, it is in the Homicide section of http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Mugshot but will get deleted in 3 days so I have saved a screen shot:


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02-17-2009, 11:49 AM (This post was last modified: 06-05-2009 03:39 AM by davephx.)
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02-17-2009, 11:54 AM
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I just got back from Roses service. This morning County Attorney´s office couldn´t tell me anything since their computer system was down. Every one is concerned he could get out with such low bail.

KPHO is now running the story with Elm´s picture. See http://www.kpho.com/news/18728534/detail.html#-

What they do have is quite accurate about the other victim, Jane Doe who has been in contact with me.

I am hoping they do not contact me since as a victim hope they will protect my real identity and they are trying to find a link to the DD case.

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02-17-2009, 12:06 PM
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The AZ Republic is now running the story at
http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoen...17-ON.html

The other victim thinks she knows who set him up but it has nothing to do with DD....but no one but the police know for sure.

We are just grateful he hired under cover cops not real hitmen.

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02-17-2009, 12:28 PM
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New Times has an even more extensive article at
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyf...vid_el.php

Is probably out on the national wire services

If you Google "David Elms" last 24 hours articles are fast appearing and being added from various news sources and blogs.

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02-17-2009, 01:13 PM
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I have Cara Liu of KPHO after me.

I want to have the story go to the legal issues and try and use this opportunities to try and get my legal views out. But do not want to be named. I don't know if this will help or not in my response below. I have also been contacted by the Major Crimes officer and they are meeting now with the attorneys both to seal the records and fight for higher bail.

This was my reply by e-mail to KPHO:

Since I am a victim I am very concerned about my real name being used not only for safety but due to my real business profession. I can be identified as Dave in Phoenix who has sexwork.com just like Jane Doe is the other victim but would be very upset if my real name was used - again victims protection.

Our big concern in the Elms case is the very low bail of $150,000 which he can easily raise vs $1 million in the DD case for the huge crime or providing pleasure - legal in almost all the world except the U.S.

Because of the legal situation Elms has been able to abuse women for many years.

I have tried to promote honestly and integrity in the industry which most are. He is mad at me because I have allowed his victims to expose him and helped with the NY Times article at http://www.sexwork.com/terbad.html I have no business or financial interest tied to the industry and I do not participate as a customer in the U.S., only in Canada where like most of the world its legal.

Victims of his rape and other crimes will not come forward due to the legal issues and they do not want to be in the media.

I also don't like what KPHO did with DD names etc. In private consenting adult at least outcall is legal in almost all the world except the U.S. with no real negative effects. Is far safer to go to a professional health wise than pick up a women in a bar and safer for marriages since its only sex. It is actually in my view a benefit to society and can keep some marriages together since men naturally enjoy variety.

I know media loves sexy stories but hate it when you make such a big deal about going after customers when its the legal system that is wrong with so many millions of police and Court resources going after what is truly a victimless crime. Again in private consenting adults not forced, not under aged etc. The Supreme Court in Lawrence vs Texas made it clear laws can not be based on morality and the govt has no place in private bedrooms.

I encourage escorts to never offer anything sexual for money only their time which is legal as a jury confirmed recently in a NY case.

This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with under aged, trafficking or public nuisance street hookers.

I also have libchrist.com helping Christians overcome sexual guilt issues from twisting's of teachings that have no biblical basis. Married men could have as many wives, concubines or "common" prostitutes in biblical times and it was not "adultery" as long as the "other women" was not the property of the man (one of his wives or concubines)

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02-17-2009, 03:59 PM
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This most extensive report and someone in comments who claims to work for him is defending TER against all the lies about them he claims at:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyf...vid_el.php

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02-18-2009, 10:11 AM (This post was last modified: 02-18-2009 11:27 AM by davephx.)
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I was sent an e-mail with this link. I don't think it was intended as a threat but supposedly is of David Elms wife pointing a gun at you on a facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Yalda-Elms/736150827

Also on TER David Elms in the mailbag section posted picture of his wife vs what he implies since that is who he is talking about the gal that he hired the hitman to murder. He was ridiculing her by posting the picture of his 'wife' juxtaposed with the escort.

The idea was my beautiful wife vs this cow. Typical Elms and reports are his wife is very unstable.

I am not including the TER link since it has more false slander against her, gives name etc but this is a look into his sick mind. But the picture of his supposed wife that he posted is interesting but can't tell if it is the same as the women with the gun.


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02-18-2009, 10:34 AM
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Latest AZ republic update at
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02-18-2009, 10:42 AM
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Poor T.E.R.D.
We should have some compassion on him. Dave does not need his legs.

What type of TERD would do that?

A lot of mean people in this business. Hope they are all as dumb as TERD.

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02-18-2009, 09:19 PM
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A Elms supporter's view from an e-mail received:

I don't agree with your vendetta against TER or Dave Elms. I think the person you should be more frightened of is Paul from Desert Divas, which most likely made a plea bargain, was in the vehicle with Dave Elms and was not arrested. Says a lot without saying anything at all... He is a dangerous man.

You and I also work against each other in the adult industry. I do business consulting in the adult entertainment industry, which has led me to take an extremely active role in legalization of private adult entertainment. Also the largest sector of adult entertainment. I do not believe in decimalization...it would be a disaster.

I believe that the Internet has brought our industry to its lowest level in history and that the only way to restore respect to the profession is through regulation, education, certification and oaths. I come from a long line of high society courtesans dating back to the 1200's and probably before. I come to this work from a very different angle. To me it is an art and skill that few understand.

Because I work in adult on a business level and understand the media, I will continue to support TER...it is not going anywhere even without Dave. It is a well oiled machine and has been accepted by the media as "the source" for this industry. Just like TBD was not taken down neither will TER...

(said more mostly nice things I agree with)

Dave replies:
Thank you for your interesting reply.

I have no personal vendetta against Elms, I only have allowed gals to share their experience and am against his abuse of women. Many of the sources I know personally and they are true stories of abuse such as insisting on free sexual services or banned or reviews taken down, using made up excuses which I have allowed to be shared.

Decriminalization works great in almost all the world for outcall and in much of the world for incall without any need for licensing or control. Canada is the example I know best. You probably favor a Nevada like legal system since it keeps fees so high.

I agree there is nothing illegal with TER itself just like TBD- we still have free speech. However the juicy review policy and need for unhealthy sex acts to get highest rating is further abuse in my view and is being used as indirect evidence in the DD case (book full of TER reviews which of course need to be traced to writer etc to be good evidence). It is specifically mentioned in the police report and will be interesting to see if and how used if any cases come to trial.

There are now gals in Phoenix being busted SOLELY for having sex acts listed on their websites such as Greek or GFE. Busted and convicted for solicitation just for their website. In the U.S. you can only sell time not sex acts, sadly unlike most of the rest of the world for private consenting adults.

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02-23-2009, 01:17 AM
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Dave Elms Appears Out on Bail
According to the murder target "The monster is out on bail...where's the justice?"

I have had a number of offers for "body guards" but think I am at a lot less risk now than before the hitman turned out to be a cop.

I have to go on and consider my financial issues far more real concerns. I can't imagine after being arrested for this anyone would go after the same victims when so many folks know what he did and who he was after.

He would have more reason to go after the person that set him up. On the other hand he would be crazy to risk life in prison for doing it again. According to the police who interrogated him he did not seem personally very dangerous but thought he had found an easy job for a hitman. But I don't want to do say anything to get him upset with me!

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02-26-2009, 01:06 AM
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(02-18-2009 09:19 PM)davephx Wrote:  A Elms supporter's view from an e-mail received:

I don't agree with your vendetta against TER or Dave Elms. I think the person you should be more frightened of is Paul from Desert Divas, which most likely made a plea bargain, was in the vehicle with Dave Elms and was not arrested. Says a lot without saying anything at all... He is a dangerous man.

You and I also work against each other in the adult industry. I do business consulting in the adult entertainment industry, which has led me to take an extremely active role in legalization of private adult entertainment. Also the largest sector of adult entertainment. I do not believe in decimalization...it would be a disaster.

I believe that the Internet has brought our industry to its lowest level in history and that the only way to restore respect to the profession is through regulation, education, certification and oaths. I come from a long line of high society courtesans dating back to the 1200's and probably before. I come to this work from a very different angle. To me it is an art and skill that few understand.

Because I work in adult on a business level and understand the media, I will continue to support TER...it is not going anywhere even without Dave. It is a well oiled machine and has been accepted by the media as "the source" for this industry. Just like TBD was not taken down neither will TER...

(said more mostly nice things I agree with)

Dave replies:
Thank you for your interesting reply.

I have no personal vendetta against Elms, I only have allowed gals to share their experience and am against his abuse of women. Many of the sources I know personally and they are true stories of abuse such as insisting on free sexual services or banned or reviews taken down, using made up excuses which I have allowed to be shared.

Decriminalization works great in almost all the world for outcall and in much of the world for incall without any need for licensing or control. Canada is the example I know best. You probably favor a Nevada like legal system since it keeps fees so high.

I agree there is nothing illegal with TER itself just like TBD- we still have free speech. However the juicy review policy and need for unhealthy sex acts to get highest rating is further abuse in my view and is being used as indirect evidence in the DD case (book full of TER reviews which of course need to be traced to writer etc to be good evidence). It is specifically mentioned in the police report and will be interesting to see if and how used if any cases come to trial.

There are now gals in Phoenix being busted SOLELY for having sex acts listed on their websites such as Greek or GFE. Busted and convicted for solicitation just for their website. In the U.S. you can only sell time not sex acts, sadly unlike most of the rest of the world for private consenting adults.

i dont think paul would set up his friends.
he wouldnt have spent so much time in jail if he was going to be a snitch. i dont like paul but i can respect that he's taking his medicine like a man.
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06-05-2009, 03:42 AM
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For those following this thread.

He got out on bail and did now show up at arraignment twice.

He fled to Dubai via Toronto.

6/5/09 Captured at border trying to return to the U.S. via Mexico
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