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Desert Divas Customer List Release
02-11-2009, 12:12 AM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2009 12:39 AM by davephx.)
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Desert Divas Customer List Release
Desert Divas Customer List Release
Bad news if you haven't heard.
I am getting e-mails from guys wondering what to do - I don't have any good answers other than if your not famous you may not be named in the media.

CBS 5, KPHO TV reports that in response to their records request the names of customers from the 400 pages of names as well as 30,000 pages of investigative material was going to be released today but has been delayed but could be released in a few days. Police want to redact certain non public information probably related to ongoing investigation.

It is also reported that in addition to the 50 already arrested "they expect there may eventually be as many as 100 arrests of organization members."
http://www.kpho.com/news/18685122/detail.html#-

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02-11-2009, 12:28 AM
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
My usual pubic comments I made on KPHO website:

All this wasted money and resources for something that is legal in almost all the world except the U.S. Consenting adults in private prostitution. And the Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence vs Texas that laws can not be based on morality and the government has no business in our private bedrooms.

Just look to Canada where like most of the world at least outcall is totally legal with no real negatives. Has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with trafficking, children or anything other than in private consenting adults (not public nuisance street hookers).

Incalls are more regulated in various countries from only 1 worker per flat in the U.K. to large public brothels in Australia and New Zealand.

So much wasted police, DA and Court resources for the crime of pleasure in private with consenting adults.

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02-11-2009, 03:53 AM
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Update - I understand a KPHO reporter has contacted a client of DD, even though the list hasn't been released and asked him why he pays for sex. He had the right answer. Said he did not pay for sex only for time for companionship. But this could turn out to be an ugly media circus.

The guys on the DD List of course are very concerned and everyone will be spooked that whoever they go to doesn't have their own list, probably especially agencies. Not sure what companions can do to assure folks they don't have any list that if arrested could be used.

Of course doesn't help that its not real evidence and LE may never go after the guys. But if they have "real" names it is the embarrassment problem that can be almost as bad as being arrested. Hopefully will only release "famous" names although that is bad enough.

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02-11-2009, 04:53 PM
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
It is getting worse.

One of the gals who in the police report all she did was show up for an interview and never worked for DD is reporting the only deal she is being offered is a conviction with 2 years under house arrest.

She also reports via her attorney that 8 of the gals are giving info to convict others as is one of the managers. They probably all got better plea deals.

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02-12-2009, 04:48 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2009 04:52 PM by davephx.)
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
Alert - Watch KPHO Tv News at 5pm appears the List has been released

From KPHO News - Believe will be broadcast on 5pm News
PHOENIX -- Phoenix police have released the list of possible clients linked to the Desert Divas prostitution investigation and it's 649 pages long.

The list averages about 10 clients per page. There may be as many as 6,500 possible clients of the alleged prostitution ring.

The list is put together like a database, with headings that include client name, appointment address, client telephone number, model name and appointment date.

It is alphabetized by the client's last name. It appears to cover a time period from May 2005 to May 2008.

In August, Phoenix police shut down the alleged high-dollar call-girl operation after a five-month investigation. Out of more than 50 arrests, officers detained about a dozen men and women they said were key players in the business.

Among the evidence they confiscated were detailed ledgers that contained names, phone numbers and addresses of hundreds of customers. Authorities also seized three residences, eight vehicles -- including a Ferrari 43C CP -- and one motorcycle.

They also found six rifles, 12 handguns and two silencers at one of the alleged ringleaders' residence, police said.

Recently, an Albuquerque man pleaded guilty to seven felony counts, including promoting prostitution and conspiracy, for his role in the alleged Arizona-based prostitution ring.

James Bays, 41, faces up to 12 years in prison. No sentencing date was immediately scheduled.

Authorities said Bays managed the Desert Divas prostitution ring in Albuquerque.

He was arrested in August after a five-month investigation that began when Phoenix police contacted Albuquerque police to report they had been looking into Night Partners Entertainment, also known as Desert Divas, and that it had recently opened in New Mexico's largest city.

During an appearance before state District Judge Stan Whitaker, Bays acknowledged his role in the ring, which connected prostitutes with clients through "meet and greets," a Web site and newspaper advertisements.

To date, the investigation has yielded 50 arrests of organization members with 13 search warrants served. Investigators said they expect there may eventually be as many 100 arrests of organization members.

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02-12-2009, 05:14 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2009 05:24 PM by davephx.)
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
Update if you didn't see the broadcast -

Reporters are pouring over the names and making contact and verifying and imply they will name names.

A police spokesman said they intent do go after some clients BUT they are running in to a 1-year statue of limitation issue implying have to do it soon.

With the large numbers at least it makes the point that all sorts of folks use companions not just dirty old men or as some women say pathetic men that have to pay for it.

Some very happily married me enjoy variety which is natural in most all of nature. Monogamy is “not in the genes“ as article in major mag pointed out a few years ago (Time I believe) and I've written a lot about it.

For the religious right prostitution was common and no big deal in biblical times as of course the norm was to have many wives and concubines. Adultery was only wrong for a married women never a married man as long as the “other women“ was not married (owned by a husband as property).

But never anything wrong with a married man having sex with as many single women or his concubines - it was not adultery.

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02-12-2009, 08:02 PM
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
ABC 15 also reporting and has published the full List of clients on its website:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoeni...3ycyQ.cspx

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02-12-2009, 08:05 PM
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UPDATE - Names published:

ABC 15 also reporting and has published the full List of clients on its website:
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoeni...3ycyQ.cspx

I made my usual speech in the comments section:
All this wasted money and resources for something that is legal in almost all the world except the U.S. Consenting adults in private prostitution. And the Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence vs Texas that laws can not be based on morality and the government has no business in our private bedrooms. Just look to Canada where like most of the world at least outcall is totally legal with no real negatives. Has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with trafficking, children or anything other than in private consenting adults (not public nuisance street hookers). Incalls are more regulated in various countries from only 1 worker per flat in the U.K. to large public brothels in Australia and New Zealand. So much wasted police, DA and Court resources for the crime of pleasure in private with consenting adults. For the religious right prostitution was common and no big deal in biblical times as of course the norm was to have many wives and concubines. Adultery was only wrong for a married women never a married man as long as the “other women“ was not married (owned by a husband as property). But never anything wrong with a married man having sex with as many single women or his concubines - it was not adultery.

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02-12-2009, 08:35 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2009 08:38 PM by davephx.)
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
Sgt Andy Hill says the priority of the Phoenix police is the "organization" (not the customers) which will total 100 or more folks by the time they are done. On the first wave they arrested nearly 50 of which there are still 5 that are outstanding from that wave however there will be another wave submitted to the Maricopa County Attorney's office office on additional organizational members. Once the organization has been "taken down" they will move on to the client list and look at that.

It is assumed the additional folks are the "testers" from the "boardroom" in its various definitions.

Many of the original 50 were of course the escorts

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02-13-2009, 05:10 AM
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
AZfamily is not releasing the names it says. It says 3000 customers, another reports says 4000 - the confusion is because there are over 6000 entries but some men are listed many different times on different visits, so it may be only 3000 unique names but I doubt anyone has actually counted.

I am getting lots of e-mail asking about Statute of Limitations: In AZ the criminal statute for misdemeanors is 1 year FROM THE DATE OF THE CRIME from what I can research. The list is reported to end in May 2008 so the statue of limitations is already up for criminal charges except for the last few months.

Some wise media blog comments:
Its so sad so many people have nothing else to do with their time but worry about what other people are doing. Grow up everyone, its only SEX!!!! I'd rather my husband pay a high price hooker than a street walker or even having an affair which is emotional involvement. He still comes home and takes care of his family in the end. All men cheat one way or another its in their nature... I'd like to see it legal, wouldnt be so much poverty ,women could take care of their children. Hey if it was legal they could be tested. Find something else to do with your time, something more important. Women grow some balls and except it, at least u wouldnt have to fuck him all the time!!! - From phoenixnewtimes.com

I personally share the same name with 3 people in Phoenix. Posting the names of these people is absolutely irresponsible and Channel 15 will most likely be hit with a multi-million dollar defemation lawsuit. The escort business is perfectly legal. Having sex with escorts is illegal. How many of these people hired an escort for a date or or just to have company? Channel 15 had ruled these people guilty of sleeping with prostitutes in the court of public opinion. Even people that used credit cards did nothing illegal and how do we prove that they did something illegal? We have so many problems in this country right now. I work as a financial advisor and I can tell you we are on the brink of total economic disaster and we are reporting on prostitution? I hope channel 15 has a really good lawyer because they just defamed 6500 people. From phoenixnewtimes.com

DaveinPhoenix says:
No, having sex with an escort is NOT illegal.
Paying to have sex is illegal, not to buy time.
A jury in New York state was last week wise enough to see the difference.
Again, legal in almost all the world except the U.S. but we waste millions on these investigations, prosecutions etc.

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02-13-2009, 04:40 PM (This post was last modified: 02-14-2009 02:34 AM by davephx.)
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
There is a report from a reliable source that TV news crews are showing up at peoples houses named on the Desert Divas List.

The addresses, credit card info etc was not released but the media seems to have it, or at least addresses so they can look up some, call or stop bySad

In the 30,000 documents released to the media may have more information that they are not releasing due to privacy issues.

They probably are told by their lawyers they can release names but not more detailed private data. Yet they may have that info to call and visit homes of guys with TV cameras rolling.

Best advice is not to answer the door! It is getting ugly yet it has started a dialog about whether we should have these laws at all against in private consenting adults as seen on many of the media blogs.

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02-14-2009, 03:47 PM
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
They screwed up in releasing list 2 in covering addresses and phone numbers. There are at least 2 peoples addresses and phone numbers listed due to them not covering the top of the page or have some info listed where the girls name should be.

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02-23-2009, 01:24 AM
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RE: Desert Divas Customer List Release
The List - Statute of Limitations Confusion
My research led me to believe the statue of limitations starts when the crime was committed. But others say that the statute of limitations in Arizona starts 1 year from when the crime is discovered or reported. Once a search warrant is served on DD they accessed the computer that had the files with the client names on it. If a crime can be determined the police have 1 year from that date to file charges.

However unless they can match names to other records such as credit card receipts, your name on the hotel guest register with ID info, etc they can not positively identify you just from a name listing from the DD computer.\

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